Radio 4 - 'cis' people who are 'safe in the world'

[MsMcWoodle]

So angry. Just woke up to a discussion with Travis Top shop let me change with 12 year old girls or I'll scream and scream till I'm sick and some handmaiden writer. The whole thing was awful, one sided, and not challenged in any way by the presenter.
The real gem was when the handmaiden was talking about the duties of 'cis' people who are apparently 'safe in the world'.
Why was this left unchallenged?
Can anyone be so clueless that they do not realise women are NOT safe in this world. It's not even 8am and I want to tear my hair out.
Good morning.

How infuriating. I'm glad that was aired. It will have peaked a few more people.

None of the stuff this cult says makes sense. Just the other day I was being told by my 'friend' how the media is stirring up hatred against trans people and it's actually virtually impossible to tell if someone is trans or not and most women wouldn't bat an eyelid about sharing with a little old trans woman.

Except then on the flipside they're horribly vulnerable and society hates them and cis people have no idea about how they suffer.

You can't have both being true.

I don't know that it will have peaked people though, because the bullshit gender theory bollocks was just stated as fact with no challenge along the lines of 'some very special people don't identify with their sex' so obvs need special treatment. If you're only half thinking that early in the morning...
Nobody said that people don't generally 'identify' with their sex. They just are.
Yes but you're right. None of it makes any sense.
How many impossible things are we supposed to believe before breakfast?

I heard it too, infuriating, particularly the lack of challenge to such a lie.

The language they use from top to bottom is designed to confuse people and obscure the categories we are talking about.

As the naive, unprepared presenter tries to grapple with the idea of cis gender people and their oppression of poor trans, the main point goes whizzing by.

Pure men's rights activism.

Exactly! This feels to me like brainwashing.

Is "they" trying to bludge taxi fare again? Or does "they" have another performance art gig to promote?

'They' did manage to slip in something about 'their' show. But it was mostly just about the specialness of 'they'.

I was imagining a conversation last night with a couple of woke women I know and I will be getting the fabulous user name 'cis my arse' In when I do.

Well the point is made when his show is all about the outrage of someone throwing a burger at him.

Show is hilarious by the way.

I need to listen to this segment; what tome was it on?

7.30

The guest editor is Chidera Eggerue.
She blogs: www.theslumflower.com

The non-binary narrative, ideology and demand for rights has considerable implications.

see current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3462206-dear-topshop

I listened to it, without realising it was Travis. Talk about a sob story - oh, poor me, being restricted by society's gender expectations of me, people debating my existence. I can't believe it was Top Shop Travis talking.

DH came down and said "did you hear that interview just now? It was awful wasn't it?" So they're fooling no-one - but yes, it does feel like an attempted brainwashing of the nation via the BBC.

Actually, I have no doubt that Travis may feel unsafe in public quite often. I'll wheel it out again - I have encountered Travis IRL. And the way Travis dresses and behaves means that Travis is quite likely to attract homophobic abuse. Travis reads as gay male, not trans. I hasten to add here that any homophobic abuse is in no way whatsoever Travis' fault - Travis should 100% be able to dress and act in whatever way they please in public. But for my money, it's plain old fashioned homophobia (and likely coming from men).

Travis claims that since 'the beginning of time' there have been non-binary people who are not male or female. Although Travis then talks of gender-non conforming people (?)

Travis says society causes the disproportionately high levels of mental health problems of people who are trans and mental health professionals 'don't understand us to help us'

Travis finds it 'so difficult to hear the debate' which includes women's reluctance to share changing space with males as this is 'tangential' to their existence.

Chidera Eggerue says of physical space discussion that 'cis gendered people' are 'already safe' in the world and that toilet discussions 'prioritise cis-gendered people'

She says that she has responsibility to protect, support & step in out of solidarity for Travis.

Travis reads as gay male, not trans. I hasten to add here that any homophobic abuse is in no way whatsoever Travis' fault - Travis should 100% be able to dress and act in whatever way they please in public. But for my money, it's plain old fashioned homophobia (and likely coming from men).

Travis described the acute distress felt doing all boy PE classes.

One other thing that really annoyed me was that no one bothered to explain 'cis'. Like this is an actual word now. No it's not. I don't accept it. Forcing down my throat is not going to make me accept it.
Foff BBC. I am cancelling my licence and you can chase me for the money.

Yeah, I also felt distress doing PE classes. So did nearly everyone.

Travis described the acute distress felt doing all boy PE classes.

Interesting. Did Travis explore what caused the distress?

Yes I heard this and was amazed there was no-one asking questions - was that supposed to be an interview? glad I don't pay the licence fee, BBC are so crap these days.

Interesting. Did Travis explore what caused the distress?

Travis believes that 'gender is given to us'

Said would find every reason not to go to PE as being part of boys' PE session, 'wasn't what they was'

Travis absolutely reads as an effeminate gay male. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Travis can think and believe whatever they want about themselves, they cannot require that the rest of the world agree with them. No one gets to control what others think of them.

I heard this and actually thought the interviewer (think it was Martha Kearny?) did gently challenge the whole concept initially. She was initially asking ‘but wasn’t that just you rejecting gender stereotypes?’ but it was all just brushed aside - I got the impression that she was GC but just let them prattle on and reveal themselves and allow the listeners to judge for themselves. The claim that “cisgender people are safe”, especially in relation to sex-segregated spaces (why is that we keep males out of female spaces again, hmm?) is so patently ridiculous, in a short snippet interview like that it can be left to hang to be seen as it is. It’s not difficult to deconstruct, and it’s laughable in its naivety (being generous).

Load of rot wasn’t it. Why was the term ‘cis’ not challenged? Or the fact that the person said that as a boy they didn’t want to change in a room of - we boys. So a room of girls would have been okey dokey then?
Why no challenge? This person didn’t sound in the least but ‘special’ which I assume they believe. Attention seeking maybe.

Why was the whole stats on trans people being discriminated and attacked (stara from stonewall) not countered by the number of women murdered by men (I’m
sure I saw a stat on twitter of 8 in the uk over Christmas?

And as for I’m here in solidarity to make xx feel safe was enough to send my radio flying. Today’s editor needs to get her head out of her little bubble and ask why she is pandering? Did she even mention women’s rights? Not really.

How long have I been safe? That's a fucking relief to know... Just recently? I didn't feel very safe last year having a door shut on my head by a man. Last 10 years? Last 15? Lots of times I wasn't safe in them. From 7.30 this morning? Fantastic. I'll look forward to my new life of privilege and safety.