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******TRIGGER WARNING Powerful message from a midwife (re. the murder of Natalie Connolly) TRIGGER WARNING ******

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WTFIsAGleepglorp · 20/12/2018 20:34

Relax, it's not a trans thread.

It's about the horrific murder of Natalie Connolly.

twitter.com/ThatMidwife/status/1075808892477693952?s=19

Who's writing to the Attorney General?

OP posts:
placemats · 21/12/2018 13:55

I will write to my MP and AG. Thank you for this.

He will not be getting off lightly in this. He deserves to spend a long time behind bars.

arranbubonicplague · 21/12/2018 13:56

As a general side comment - I noticed the errors in the FiLiA item but, because it was quoted from their page, I didn't feel that I should correct it. Should I have [sic]'d it as a more helpful thing to have done than fret about quoting it 'as is'?

placemats · 21/12/2018 14:16

The defence expert obstetrician and gynaecologist, Mr Nicholas Morris, was asked by Mr Vullo whether using lubrication to remove the bottle was a good idea. Mr Morris said that it was a good idea, because it gave you time to think and work out what do to. That answer cried out for the question in cross-examination: ‘Do you think it would have been a better idea to have called an ambulance ?’ That question was never put, but the answer is obvious

I hope no one ever has to be under the care of Mr Nicholas Morris.

WeeBisom · 21/12/2018 14:24

I read the sentencing comments, and two things stood out as worthy of further investigation at appeal:

  1. The judge says that Natalie consented to having the bottle inserted inside her. However, he also notes that she was heavily intoxicated (her blood alcohol level was in the coma/death range), had fallen down the stairs and broken her eye socket, and was speaking 'gobbledygook'. How can he conclude based on this evidence that she consented when it seems she was too drunk to consent to anything?

  2. The most worrying part is this. The judge notes that based on 'Brown', victims cannot consent to GBH. So even if a victim consents to GBH, the inflictor of the injury is still liable. Ok - if that's the case, then even if Natalie consented to having the bottle inserted in her vagina that is irrelevant - the bottle injured her and caused GBH which led to her death.

But the judge quotes another case, and concludes from this (wrongly I think) that women can consent to the insertion of objects into their vaginas and rectums and that EVEN IF this leads to GBH this is not unlawful.

Note what this means. If my male partner begs me to chop his dick off, and I do so, and he bleeds out and dies then I have behaved unlawfully and am liable for his death. Even though he consented this makes no difference - I unlawfully wounded him. But if my female partner begs me to insert a dangerous object in her vagina, and this kills her, then I have not behaved unlawfully and I am not liable for her death. This judge has effectively ruled that so long as you make sure you consensually injure someone's vagina or rectum then you haven't acted unlawfully - how on earth can this be right?

pisspawpatrol · 21/12/2018 14:33

I have emailed:

Mr Cox,

I am writing to you to reconsider both the charge (manslaughter by gross negligence, rather than murder) and the subsequent sentencing of only 40 months of John Broadhurst at Birrmingham Crown Court, following his brutal killing of Natalie Connolly. Not only did she received over 40 injuries, but she was also callously left to die when perhaps medical intervention could have saved her life.

I also have questions about how the relationship of the defendant and victim has been portrayed in the court and the media. Why has there been no statement from Natalie's family and friends given to the court? A woman who is dead cannot speak for herself; Natalie cannot speak for herself and so her closest relations must be allowed to do so on her behalf. It is a sad day when the comments of the man who left Natalie with such horrendous injuries are taken as fact with no consideration to his bias.

The so called mitigation of ‘rough sex gone wrong’ sets a dangerous precedent to excuse extreme violence against women.This verdict gives the unacceptable impression that the life of a woman and mother is of such little value, that she can be seriously injured and left to die and no serious consequence is forthcoming. I therefore believe that this sentence is unduly lenient.

I ask that this case is referred to the court of appeal, for reconsideration of the sentence handed to John Broadhurst. Natalie deserved better, her daughter deserves better.

Your's sincerely,

My name

BlooperReel · 21/12/2018 14:50

I have emailed the attorney general too, outraged, disgusted and incredibly sad for Natalie and her family.

deepwatersolo · 21/12/2018 15:02

So. Does that now give anyone the freedom to torture and kill as long as they say the dead person wanted it?

Yeah. So if in doubt, whether she'll go to police, just finish her off and say it was consenual kink gone wrong. You can leave a black latex mask beside the dead body, to drive the point home.

Sethos · 21/12/2018 15:05

As someone said above, the initial email address given isn't the right one, I don't think.
www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review

OnAScaleOf1to10ItsA7 · 21/12/2018 15:10

Here’s the letter I sent the attorney general today.

Mr Cox,

I am writing to express my horror and disgust at the inexplicably lenient sentence that John Broadhurst received for killing Natalie Connolly. And I respectfully ask that you review his sentence.

Even if intent couldn't be sufficiently proven for murder, the defence's implication that this was somehow 'consensual activity gone wrong' is offensive and ludicrous.

The idea that Natalie Connolly consented to the injuries done to her is contradicted by the evidence. Any woman with blood alcohol levels as high as Natalie's, by default, cannot be assumed to be able to consent. Broadhurst inflicted external and internal injuries to Natalie that went way beyond anything the law recognises as acts that can be consented to.

It is obvious on the facts that John Broadhurst brutally beat and raped Natalie Connolly for his own sexual satisfaction and that he left her to die without any regard for her wellbeing. At the point he realised she was unconscious, he should have called an ambulance. Instead his course of action was to use lubricant to remove the spray bottle he had inserted into her vagina, supposedly with her 'consent'. Then after causing her what would ultimately be fatal internal bleeding, he left her at the bottom of the stairs and went to bed.

As I said, I understand there may not be sufficient evidence to prove intent. But the sentence should reflect the brutality inflicted on Natalie by John Broadhurst and the callousness with which he did it. I don't think that the current sentence does.

This year, 127 women died as a result of male violence (source www.kareningalasmith.com2018/03/10/2018/). That's one dead woman every 2.5 days. And women are far more likely to be raped or killed by men they know, than strangers.

When men like John Broadhurst rape and brutalise women like Natalie Connolly and receive a negligible sentence as a consequence, it sends a message to men everywhere that they can terrorise women with relative impunity. And not only that, that the woman will be held partially responsible for it, because being drunk and/or sexually inhibited is somehow 'asking for it'.

Nobody asks to be sexually tortured to death.

And when men like John Broadhurst learn they can rape and kill with relative impunity, they almost certainly will do it again at the earliest opportunity.

We've seen with recent high profile sexual abuse cases like Weinstein and Savile, that money and power grooms those around it to minimise and turn a blind eye. I hope that justice and reason will ultimately refute the lethal charm of John Broadhurst's millions.

I am copying my MP, into this email and I look forward to your reply.

Sincerely,

Bungleinthejungle · 21/12/2018 16:38

I have written to the AG today

******TRIGGER WARNING Powerful message from a midwife (re. the murder of Natalie Connolly) TRIGGER WARNING ******
******TRIGGER WARNING Powerful message from a midwife (re. the murder of Natalie Connolly) TRIGGER WARNING ******
Thethiniceofanewday · 21/12/2018 16:45

I have written today. I have read the sentencing remarks and I am totally unclear as to what proof the defendant offered that natalie enjoyed being beaten, other than his word, which the judge meekly accepted.

Thethiniceofanewday · 21/12/2018 16:50

The judge also accepted that Natalie fractured her own eye socket by bumping into something. A door, perhaps?

Of all the truly disgusting things about this case, I'd like to highlight that his phone showed him walking up and down the stairs at 6am. So he stepped over her dead body but didn't call an ambulance until 9. The judge suggested the defendant had recalled the time he went to bed wrongly (3am).

Bobbywashere · 21/12/2018 16:52

It says it all when even the usual suspects of the Daily Mail who insist men get harsh sentences, are disgusted at this sentence. I don't think it has ever been made clearer just how biased the courts are towards men. Something has to happen...between this and the rugby trial I don't know how people can keep ignoring this evil attitude to women in court.

Bobbywashere · 21/12/2018 16:53

What's the deal with this judge?? How can someone so misogynistic and malignant be allowed to stand over a trial like this?

AntiSocialInjusticePacifist · 21/12/2018 17:04

I’m just not up for reading the news anymore! I think 2019 I’m going to avoid the news for the entire year and see if my mood is any better than the end of 2018!!

Threewheeler1 · 21/12/2018 17:36

This case is utterly fucking sickening.
How many more times are we going to see murderers of women getting away with it? I can't believe the state of the system sometimes.
Will email, thanks for the link.
She deserves justice.

Bittermints · 21/12/2018 17:36

I emailed the AG about this. I hope it achieves something. This is absolutely unacceptable. This poor woman can't speak for herself and her so called partner's words about what she liked and wanted appear to have been accepted unquestioningly.

I know nothing about BDSM and have no desire to, but it worries me that so many young women are genuinely or allegedly telling their partners that they derive sexual pleasure from being hurt so badly that it causes lasting physical damage. Porn again. 20 years ago this would have been so extreme that nobody would have accepted this was consensual.

Chardeemacdennis1 · 21/12/2018 17:42

So basically he's not being punished for committing abh and gbh, he's not being punished for having sex with someone to intoxicated to consent, and he's not being punished for inserting(ramming) a cleaning spray into her. They are not even questioning where her other injuries came from. He is only being punished for not calling for help and leaving her to bleed to death.

So if he had called an ambulance and her life had been saved, he would be guilty of nothing, his actions that night were fine?

And why are we taking his word for everything. I refuse to believe she wanted that spray ranmed in her and I refuse to believe he caused consentual injuries but didn't cause the more sever injuries. His actions show this was deliberate. You don't step over someone dying and go to bed unless you wanted them dead.

Threewheeler1 · 21/12/2018 17:42

Bittermints
Porn again. 20 years ago this would have been so extreme that nobody would have accepted this was consensual.
I think you're right.

WomanWithAltitude · 21/12/2018 17:51

This is just horrific. There are no words.

And the scum that did this deserves to die in prison.

BrienneofTERF · 21/12/2018 17:59

Thank you all for sharing your letters. It makes it so much easier for the rest of us to write to the attorney general.
I’ll be lighting a candle for Natalie this Christmas (and writing to the attorney general) and will be raising a glass to you guys for keeping up the good fight. Xx

DeRigueurMortis · 21/12/2018 18:01

I've emailed the attorney general and my MP as follows:

I am writing to you to reconsider both the charge (manslaughter by gross negligence, rather than murder) and the subsequent sentencing of only 40 months of John Broadhurstat Birrmingham Crown Court.

As a member of the public I have never before felt the need to make such a request, but am deeply horrified and concerned at both the leniency of this sentence and the decision not to prosecute for murder.

I did not know Natalie, I know only that she no longer has a voice and as a woman and mother I feel strongly that it’s vital to speak on her behalf and that of her daughter, so when older she will hopefully not have to face a future knowing how little value the British justice system placed on her mother’s life.

Her death was brutal. She received over 40 injuries and was callously left to die when medical intervention could have saved her life.

The so called mitigation of ‘rough sex gone wrong’ sets a dangerous precedent to excuse extreme violence against women in any circumstances, but especially so in cases where the victim has been doubly silenced (at the time due to extreme intoxication rendering her incapable of consent and during the trial through her subsequent death from the appalling injuries she sustained).

I ask that this case is referred to the court of appeal.

LuluJakey1 · 21/12/2018 18:07

Horrific in every way. I have written to the Attorney General and cc'd my MP into the email.

FATEdestiny · 21/12/2018 18:22

This is the first time I've read this case. It is horrific.

TheCountryGirl · 21/12/2018 18:30

Porn is definitely the factor here. Am I being naive in thinking men have reached the absolute extremes of porn that the only way is back to normality? Is that giving way too much credit to the male species? Fuck knows anymore what men ate capable of.

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