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Posie Parker to be interviewed by the police (again) following another complaint from Susie Green

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WeSeeYou · 18/12/2018 22:02

www.facebook.com/theposieparker

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DoctorTwo · 19/12/2018 09:21

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Danaquestionseverything · 19/12/2018 09:29

ChewyLouie
That person of course would be Saville I assume. From what I read on the internet (not sure of the veracity) he had pretty much free reign to access vulnerable people, Children's Homes, Hospitals etc.

As someone not from the UK I did wonder about possible connections with that particular police force and the grooming gangs. I also wondered if they were (historically) responsible for the areas where the Yorkshire Ripper was active? If that's the case do they provide specialist officers to offer help for sex workers? They really should considering that plenty of people in official positions were labelling the young women (girls) caught up in the grooming gangs scandal as sex workers.

Funnily (not really) enough Saville was reported to visit Sutcliffe on occasion.

As soon as I saw this topic I thought the Wobberly video. When I get a chance I will have to watch it again. I can't recall any reference to SG or mermaids. Maybe favours are being called in?

RedHoodGirl · 19/12/2018 10:02

I suspect it will be Wiltshire police that are investigating Posie on this occasion, not West Yorkshire. Also the ‘Wobberly’ video likely has nothing to do with the case, as it’s not about Susie Green. The police obviously have enough evidence to indicate that the law has been broken, or the investigation wouldn’t have got this far.

GodThisIsShit · 19/12/2018 10:17

The police obviously have enough evidence to indicate that the law has been broken, or the investigation wouldn’t have got this far

They thought they had enough last time but the CPS called time on it.

nauticant · 19/12/2018 10:22

Is it correct that the "victim" reports to their local police and then the local police liaise with the remote police (local to the "harasser")?

To me it seems that in some cases "victims" forum-shop to some extent by asserting they have a connection to a location covered by a friendly police force.

papayasareyum · 19/12/2018 10:24

this is in the hands of WYP isn't it? The force who have a Trans unit manned by Trans officers? It will be interesting to see if Posie is treated fairly.

Danaquestionseverything · 19/12/2018 10:25

"The police obviously have enough evidence to indicate that the law has been broken, or the investigation wouldn't have got this far."

Not necessarily, the police paid Glinner a visit for a tweet about Dr Harrumph. I couldn't see what was offensive. Unless it was the attached video of his Sky News appearance? Let's be real here if you make a fool of yourself on TV, be an adult and own it. It's not like there's a queue of Reality TV contestants lined up to sick the cops on the public laughing at them is there?

theOtherPamAyres · 19/12/2018 10:27

Because this matter spans the police forces, Posie P and Graham Linehan really need to:

raise a concern with the Independent Office for Police Conduct
www.policeconduct.gov.uk

littlbrowndog · 19/12/2018 10:33

West Yorkshire police just on the telly telling us they are empowering women

WELL

PositivelyPERF · 19/12/2018 10:37

West Yorkshire police just on the telly telling us they are empowering women

WELL

Only the ones with penises.

WitchfinderGeneralHarrumph · 19/12/2018 10:47

Here's the Susie Green TedX talk.

11m 28: "...she had had 7 overdoses in three years, all related to transphobic abuse and attacks and... one of her best friends was the Hate Crimes Coordinator for west Leeds so that gives you a bit of an indication of what she went through..."

arranbubonicplague · 19/12/2018 10:48

Both the sense of entitlement to police action and the compliant behaviour of the police is rather disturbing (as PP say). It puts me in mind of a thought-provoking piece that describes research into individual and collective narcissism:

Research from my PrejudiceLab at Goldsmiths, University of London shows that people who score high on the collective narcissism scale are particularly sensitive to even the smallest offences to their group’s image. As opposed to individuals with narcissistic personality, who maintain inflated views of themselves, collective narcissists exaggerate offences to their group’s image, and respond to them aggressively. Collective narcissists believe that their group’s importance and worth are not sufficiently recognised by others. They feel that their group merits special treatment, and insist that it gets the recognition and respect it deserves. In other words, collective narcissism amounts to a belief in the exaggerated greatness of one’s group, and demands external validation.

bigthink.com/aeon-ideas/why-collective-narcissists-are-so-politically-volatile

It seems that there are several individuals here, some groups, and a validating authority to act as an extension to vent their narcissism on others. Yes, it's a totalitarian nightmare, as summarised by Jane Clare Jones (separate post).

WitchfinderGeneralHarrumph · 19/12/2018 10:50

And here is WYP's force policy doc re hate crimes.

arranbubonicplague · 19/12/2018 10:52

Jane Clare Jones: Ontological totalitarianism by numbers

People refusing to validate your identity may be painful.
Something being painful is not conceptually identical to it being a moral harm, structural violence, or an act of oppression.
Not getting our needs met is sometimes painful.
Sometimes our needs don’t get met because other people also have needs, beliefs, and interests.
Thinking you must always have you needs met and refusing to understand why other people may not meet your needs, is narcissistic entitlement.
Narcissistic entitlement is the refusal to recognise the needs and interests of other people.
Narcissistic entitlement is the opposite of mutual recognition.
Mutual recognition is the condition of possibility of justice.
Ontological totalitarianism is a political manifestation of narcissistic entitlement.
Ontological totalitarianism is antithetical to the conditions of possibility of justice.

Her comments about the possibility of justice are especially on-point given current police collaboration with particular individuals and groups.

WallyTheWasher · 19/12/2018 10:55

The police obviously have enough evidence to indicate that the law has been broken, or the investigation wouldn’t have got this far.

They don’t need actual evidence at this stage. Really, there’s nothing to stop the police talking to anyone, knocking on anyone’s door..whether you engage with them is up to you..if they have a necessity to arrest you then they can do so of course. “Reasonable grounds to suspect” are required for an arrest (“suspect” is very weak so..).

I imagine a crime has been recorded but crime recording standards are not the same or as stringent as charging standards

This video is really good and cheers me up when I get bogged down thinking about the threat to free speech. Section 5 POA was reformed of course-as it should’ve been

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/12/2018 11:02

Ok that’s I think her indicating that they'd had a lot of contact with this person not a prior friendship? As in ‘I’ve seen you so much we are mates now.’

I am sure I remember someone saying ages back that green had a family contact on WYP. That would be the connection to look at.

FOI requests for meeting minutes between mermaids and forces could also be useful.

miri1985 · 19/12/2018 11:20

I don't know if anyone on here is in contact with PP but I'd suggest she files a GDPR request on West Yorkshire and even on Mermaids (they're subject to GDPR and I imagine this is being done through official emails) to find out what is being said about her in these official channels.

DrSue · 19/12/2018 11:22

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/12/2018 11:26

Awesome Sue I didn't know there were shirts, do you have a link?

LangCleg · 19/12/2018 11:30

I'm sure you'll all buy a few more T-shirts in solidarity.

My Christmas shopping list has been quite a joy this year.

BlooperReel · 19/12/2018 11:34

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/12/2018 11:37

www.standingforwomen.com/shop

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 19/12/2018 11:41

I'm sure you'll all buy a few more T-shirts in solidarity.

Not to mention hoodies. The Adult Human Female hoodie is incredibly cosy.

Gonzales27 · 19/12/2018 11:55

I feel so guilty that, despite really wanting one of those T-shirt's, I know I'm too scared to actually wear it! I guess I need to find some balls first!

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 19/12/2018 11:57

Don't put yourself in danger, if you don't feel comfortable don't do it.

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