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Mermaids review

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Glinner · 17/12/2018 14:19

Good news for people who don't believe gender non-conforming children should be told they're in the 'wrong' body, and may need a lifetime of drugs and/or surgery to 'fix' that.

twitter.com/lecanardnoir/status/1074664349854298113

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Needmoresleep · 18/12/2018 14:22

No...I think that both the Times and the Mail have lots of material provided by whistleblowers (unhappy teachers, social workers etc) along the lines of the training tape that is being circulated on twitter.

Gilligan has been able to write confidently because he knows Mermaids won't sue. He says he can back up his assertions. BigLottery have to decide whether to grant Mermaids the money, and face further press revelations/criticism, or to drop it.

The National Lottery, the people who actually run the Lottery will want to end the controversy quickly. They boast of raising funds for good causes. At least 83% of the population do not see Mermaids as a "good cause".

Counterbalancing pressure will come from the gender industry, all those diversity and equalities specialists in every government department, in every big City firm, in every political party, across sections of the media who are riding the Transgender gravy train.

If Mermaids falls: Allsorts, GIRES, Gendered Intelligence, those binder people in Manchester etc will all be under increased scrutiny. Even the Big Daddy of them all: Stonewall. Why on earth is a lobbying organisation providing training and advice to schools? Who is monitoring it? Where is the safeguarding?

SandyDrawsBadly · 18/12/2018 14:26

To transition a child, you need to first tell them their choices of toys and clothes mean their body is wrong. You then give them drugs to stop their natural puberty and then more drugs to make them take on features of the opposite sex. The result is chemical castration. If they go on to SRS, it’s physical castration.
Pointing this out is hateful conduct.
Suspended again.

Mermaids review
SlightAggrandising · 18/12/2018 14:29

I bloody love Gaiman's books. How disappointing.

TimeLady · 18/12/2018 14:32

I'd take that as a badge of honour, Sandy.

Mamaryllis · 18/12/2018 14:36

Good luck with a huge jump in followers again, Sandy. Grin
Why are there so many Americans wading in on this on twitter? I’m boggled.

PinaGrigio · 18/12/2018 14:45

I'm sadly also not surprised about Neil Gaiman. I follow him on Twitter and was disappointed to see him recently retweeting a crowdfunding appeal for a young woman's 'top surgery'. I think though, that he spends most of his time in the US and IMO the political environment is different there. So I can imagine that if you are abroad, you don't know the full details about this charity, and you are a liberal, it would be a simple next step to tweet your support for 'trans kids' and think you're doing a good thing.

The more I look at this, the more I think there are huge parallels with Kids Company. Right-on cause, media-friendly, well-connected CEO, etc etc. I think the BLF are right to review the grant, as they should if this were any charity benefiting from their funding about which concerns had been raised. I suspect it'll be a while before they report back, as if they have to review evidence, and then reconvene another panel to discuss their findings and eventual decision, this won't happen quickly.

Degustibusnonestdisputandem1 · 18/12/2018 14:50

Bloody disappointed in Neil Gaiman on this one 😢😡. I hope he does some research into Mermaids...

OvulaRasa · 18/12/2018 14:54

I had a post deleted on the other thread. I have posted a couple of times but mostly read.

I was thanking A Giligam's article and that I sent my email as the mother of a GNC child who has been the object of attention by 'helpful allies' similar to those under Mernaids who overstepped the line and undermined my parental rights.

I also said that Mermaids still has the GPonline link to an illegal clinic who failed to pass the scrutiny to be registered. I also said that Paris Lee was mentioned on the site as an Allie and that they support each other. I said that despite PL considering life would have been better if Mermaids was around during PL childhood, the reality would be different if puberty blockers would have been administered and an underdeveloped genitalua (I did say peis) unable to sexually function would be part of PL experience. I also said I am not sure if PL has had any surgeries (I said SS) but the atrophy of genitalia would made such surgeries tricky.

This is what Mermaids is advocating for. Be not mistaken. Puberty blockers are very much in Susie Green's agenda.

OlennasWimple · 18/12/2018 15:13

I re-read the Kids' Company thread from a couple of years ago (I was a contributor, under a different name). One comment that jumped out as worth repeating in all types of contexts, but particularly regarding Mermaids:

Generally, this is what happens when ideology is allowed to trump facts, so it's a little hard to fathom why people are surprised it could happen.

IAmNotInvisible · 18/12/2018 15:43

*One of the 'trans' charities supporting Mermaids is Chrysalis - Gender Identity Matters which works with young 'trans' people in the south.

Its director is also a director at Adeptio Pharmaceuticals which is trying to secure Paediatric-use marketing authorisation. Paediatric-use marketing authorisations (PUMA) are granted by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) for medical products that are intended exclusively for paediatric use, in patients younger than 18 years.*

Not sure the linking of Adeptio to Chrysalis - Gender Identity Matters is correct HandsOffMyRights.

The directors of Adeptio are linked to a charity called Chrysalis - Grant Making Trust (formerly Chrysalis Trust), Charity No. 1133525.

Chrysalis – Gender Identity Matters (aka Chrysalis) is Charity No. 1116321 and has no trustees in common with either Adeptio or Chrysalis GMT.

Unless I'm missing something?

IAmNotInvisible · 18/12/2018 15:45

Apologies for bold fail on quote from previous post - really should preview first.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 15:52

Thanks - I am. I think it's me missing something, sorry! Blush

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 15:54

Sorry, not sure which thread the Mermaids audio is on, but some on Twitter have said it's been taken down, just in case anyone's experiencing 'technical issues'.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 15:56

It's definitely down.

MindTheMinotaur · 18/12/2018 16:10

Neil Gaiman had a trans character, 'Wanda', in one of his Sandman Stories in the mid-90s. It was made very clear in the storyline that they were male bodied and were excluded from taking part in a ritual for females in a matter of fact way. I wonder if Gaiman realises his stance then would nowadays be considered transphobic?

Melamin · 18/12/2018 16:23

It's definitely down

Definitely worth copying everything - there is a lot of backstage tidying up going on Grin

WrathofRancidKlop · 18/12/2018 16:27

Oh dear the sound cloud has gone.
Somebody has decided it isn't for distribution.

For training in schools only, not for wider public scrutiny or discussion.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 16:30

Somebody on Twitter says they have downloaded it. Hopefully they will do a transcription.

The net is closing.

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Glinner · 18/12/2018 16:32

I wonder if Neil Gaiman knows this twitter.com/MsHelenWatts/status/1074718857275813893

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HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 16:36

It's been put up

VickyEadie · 18/12/2018 16:36

The woke like to stay woke and stick their fingers in their ears whenever actual facts challenging their woke orthodoxy are spoken.

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 16:37

Put back up again in two parts. Catch part 2 especially while you can