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Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

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crsacre · 16/12/2018 00:51

A transgender charity that campaigns for children to be given prohibited sex-change treatment has been awarded £500,000 by the national lottery.

The payment to Mermaids has angered MPs, feminists and women’s organisations, who accuse the charity of bullying doctors, promoting falsehoods and using “emotional blackmail” to pressure parents to support life-changing medical interventions for their children. Mermaids will use the money to create a network of 45 groups nationwide.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-sex-change-charity-handed-500-000-by-national-lottery-dvbt7t2kb?shareToken=cd8d6faad97cd9dd3fe3f16eb3810f45

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Needmoresleep · 20/12/2018 12:28

And a link between Baloo and the Cub Scouts:

pbs.twimg.com/media/Dlb7kZEX4AAH9zg?format=jpg&name=900x900

Ok not Mermaids...but another example of the need to have rigorous safeguarding procedures.

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GrumpyGran8 · 20/12/2018 12:30

Warwickshire Police...now would they be the ones who were investigating Challenor Snr at the time?
It would have been West Midlands police doing the investigation. They cover Coventry, where the Challenors lived. But Warwick Police are next door to them, and Challenor Snr. was tried in Warwick Crown Court.

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R0wantrees · 20/12/2018 15:30

HuffPost article (in full)
"Aimee Challenor Equalities (LGBTIQ) Spokesperson for the Green Party
31/10/2016 Updated 01/11/2017
Trans Community Comes Togeher To Say We #StandWithMermaids
Mermaids is a highly valued charity that offers specialist advice and support to trans people and their families and we hope it will continue to be able to perform this vital role. No parent wants to make the difficulties of growing up any harder for their child and sadly society does not yet fully respect the rights of trans people.

Over the past week, there have been a number of stories furthering the narrative that trans children are forced into questioning their gender by their parents. The accusation is that parents have been "dressing" their children to look like the "opposite" gender. Related to this, the trans support charity Mermaids has come under attack for "interfering" with family life by helping trans children to tackle the confusion and issues they face.

After seeing a horrific article on the Daily Mail article on Saturday morning, attacking the hard work Mermaids do, and their CEO, I created an open letter of support for the charity. Mermaids helped me a lot when I came out, and I wanted to show support for them. Very quickly, the letter, and it's accompanying hashtag - #StandWithMermaids, took off, within 24 hours of making the open letter, it had over 200 signatures. It now stands at over 300.

The letter has been signed by very well known and celebrated trans rights campaigners such as Christine Burns, Juno Roche, Paris Lees, Ayla Holdom, Annie Wallace, these are all people that I look up to.

It's not just trans people who have signed the letter, it's received support from our cisgender allies including Maggie Chapman the Co-Convener of the Scottish Green Party, Larry Sanders - Bernie's older brother, Green Party London Assembly member Sian Berry, and the Deputy Leader of the Green Party of England and Wales - Amelia Womack.


National LGBT Charity - Stonewall said "Mermaids is a vital organisation that stands by the side of vulnerable young people and their parents, who are often unsure and uncertain of how to support their children. Without Mermaids, many young trans people and their families would feel lost and unsure of the help that is available to them. We have the utmost respect for its staff who continue to work tirelessly to ensure services are available for those that need it."

Mermaids is a highly valued charity that offers specialist advice and support to trans people and their families and we hope it will continue to be able to perform this vital role.

No parent wants to make the difficulties of growing up any harder for their child and sadly society does not yet fully respect the rights of trans people.

The parents that help their children realise their own identity should be celebrated, not condemned. This is why we come together to say, we #StandWithMermaids"

To view the full list of signatories, and to add your name, please visit the document, here ."

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/aimee-challenor/trans-community-comes-tog_b_12714270.html

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Sarahconnor1 · 20/12/2018 16:34

I cant do attachments at the moment, no idea why, but the screenshot i took looks the same as that in the tweet linked above.

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teawamutu · 21/12/2018 08:16

Is it too late to write in and add to the list of concerns, do you think?

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R0wantrees · 21/12/2018 08:46

never too late!

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teawamutu · 21/12/2018 12:11

I have written to Dawn Austwick with a list of concerns and the hope that they will find a worthier and more responsible recipient for their funding.

Wonder when the decision will be made?

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/12/2018 14:31

I just received an email:

Thank you very much for writing to us regarding the funding of Mermaids.

We are reviewing this proposed grant, and you can find a link to our statement on this matter here. The review team will read all correspondence we have received.

I can assure you that we will consider this issue with the utmost integrity and fairness and remain true to our principles as a funder with a strong focus on people.

In the meantime, thank you for your interest in the work of the Big Lottery Fund.

Big Lottery Fund

No indication of timings.

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R0wantrees · 21/12/2018 15:27

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

OvulaRasa · 21/12/2018 17:32

Got same reply today to two messages to CEO. First expressing concerns, second thanking them for statement. I'm considering sending another one expressing surprise that SG is saying in social media all be well and intimating that although withdrawal may be embarrassing, answering to parents and detransitioners at a latter stage when there are court cases brought forwards like in the US the names of all involved on authorising the spread of this foggy and dodgy ideology by giving them extra funding it would thousands time worst.

I'm keeping a log of all adults that have influenced my daughter if there is a future court case.

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ScarletBegonias · 21/12/2018 20:29

PainInTheEar

I got an identical reply this afternoon to the email I'd sent to the Chief Executive.

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Candidpeel · 21/12/2018 21:03

R0wantrees have they really ordered a review (in some formal, public way), or have they just said "we should look in to this" or sent a researcher to put together a briefing?

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R0wantrees · 22/12/2018 11:22

Candidpeel
I think from memory it was a 'should be a review'
Apologies for innacurate framing.
The comments & subsequent articles were during the parliamentary summer break.

There shoud be some threads from the time.

Janice Turner's article today:

'Trans ideologists are spreading cod science:
Those who defend controversial charity’s right to a £500,000 lottery grant should really listen to what it is preaching'

(extract)
re you a Princess Barbie jelly-baby who likes frilly dresses, high heels and takes ages to get ready? Or a GI Joe jelly-baby who wears boots and functional clothing? Did you know that your preference for pink sparkles or muddy sports isn’t down to societal expectations of boys and girls. No, it’s written in your chromosomes. And that’s science.

Well, science according to Mermaids, the charity for trans children, in a presentation understood to be given to thousands of teachers, health workers, police and politicians, and part-funded by the Department for Education.

I listened to a recording of this bizarre 90-minute training lecture and wish others could too. Particularly those who pride themselves on rationality and evidence-based thinking: atheists, fans of Richard Dawkins and Ben Goldacre’s Bad Science; those incensed by climate change deniers on TV or creationists in schools; the same people who are tweeting #istandwithmermaids because the Big Lottery Fund is reviewing, in the light of an outcry, its decision to award them a £500,000 grant.

On tape the Mermaids trainer tells us that humans don’t come in two sexes, male and female, sperm and ovum: “Most people still think that way,” she says airily. “But what we know now, thanks to advances in science, is that the human race has up to 42 different sets of chromosomes.”

Biological sex is on a spectrum, she says, like skin tone and (seriously) bra size. A person’s “gender identity jelly baby” has nothing to do with how we are raised: it is inside you at birth. You know you are a man because you walk like a man and like “manly” things. A listener questions why this lecture is based upon stereotypes and is told “you’re going too clever”.

Such cod science would be laughable if it weren’t so pernicious. The audience is told to watch out for little boys in tutus. We digress into clownfish reproduction, in which dominant males turn female before mating, because it somehow suggests humans can change biological sex. Then we’re on to pronouns, puberty blockers and hormones . . . (continues)

concludes
"Not to Mermaids. The charity rejects a clinical study which shows a link between dysphoria in girls and exposure to social media, and the idea that the majority of kids with unaligned jelly-babies will probably be gay. It maintains that a child is “born in the wrong body” and that this is a physical defect which, like a cleft lip, can be medically fixed, except by life-long patienthood, probable sterility and lack of sexual function. (Susie Green is on tape laughing that her trans-daughter’s penis was so small, because she’d been on puberty blockers, that the surgeon constructing her vagina had “not much to work with”.)

The Big Lottery Fund should be asking why Mermaids is so out of step with NHS best practice. Why, for example, does GIDS (the Gender Identity Development Service) not recommend Mermaids on its website? Indeed, its clinicians are in perpetual conflict with the charity. The NHS protocol for children is “watchful waiting” but Mermaids pushes for the US “affirmation” model in which any child who declares that they are trans must be treated as such without examining any possible underlying issues, such as frequently undiagnosed autism, depression or sexual abuse.

At a trans medical symposium in Buenos Aires last month, Susie Green tweeted approval of a US speaker that “surgery should be allowed based on competency NOT age of majority. Psychological assessment should not be needed for surgery as this is not required for cisgender surgeries of ANY type.” In other words, children should be allowed significant gender operations without counselling. In America girls have double mastectomies at 13.

Mermaids still recommends a private GP, Helen Webberley, who has prescribed cross-gender hormones for children as young as 12, who has a criminal conviction for running an unregistered practice, a £12,000 fine, and is under review by the General Medical Council.

Most seriously, the Big Lottery Fund should wonder why a High Court judge told a mother, found to be forcing her four-year-old son to live as a girl against his wishes, not to contact Mermaids further after the charity had vigorously supported this woman’s delusions.

There is no question that young people, confused by the heavily gendered world in which they are raised, need loving support through the maelstrom of puberty. Mermaids markets itself as the principal source of compassion and has won the reverence of celebrities. But as the Kids Company controversy proved, no charity should be unquestioningly lauded.

Certainly not one underpinned by rigid, spurious ideology. The Mermaids trainer declares that we should stop categorising children by their genitals because “we do raise boys and girls differently.” But isn’t the answer to change our child-raising practices, not the bodies of quirky kids? Feminists are constantly accused of being on the wrong side of history. Yet Mermaids, with its clownfish and jelly-babies, is clearly on the wrong side of science."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-ideologists-are-spreading-cod-science-m8n0pdbq3?shareToken=eb2c06153578d29f71c393769844ab17

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R0wantrees · 22/12/2018 11:30

R0wantrees have they really ordered a review (in some formal, public way), or have they just said "we should look in to this" or sent a researcher to put together a briefing?

Apologies, I should have had info to hand before making such a comment (I try to always provide source)
I've asked MN to delete my post and I will double check what was said.

Thanks so much for querying it

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R0wantrees · 22/12/2018 18:17

2013 article by Julian Vigo:
(extract)
"I spoke to Linda at Mermaids, a support group in London formed in 1995 by parents of transgendered children. She told me that this group supports parents who have children who do not ‘fit in’ with ‘gender roles.’ I ask what she meant exactly by ‘fitting in’ and Linda explains, ‘If you are a little girl who behaves like a boy, you will want to have your hair short, to play with the boys. Even at play group they will be different…they will be picked on and those are the problems.’ I tell Linda that many little girls will have short hair and play with boys—I was one of those little girls. She says, ‘I have known a lot of girls in my time and they don’t like rough and tumble..they don’t like playing with boys. They like to play with dolls, dressing up, playing in the Wendy House, to grow their hair…’ Linda emphasises that it is important that these children ‘fit in,’ a phrase she often repeats in our discussion. Is this what transitioning for some trans adults is about? Is this the ‘support’ that parents are receiving in order to understand ‘gender roles’? (continues)

concludes:
"This discursive conflict between trans activists and feminists is not likely to dissipate any time soon. While one side of this argument sees the objectification of gender and the return to ‘girlie girl’ tropes of identity as harmful to women, the other side of this equation views the critique of gender stereotypes as yet another attempt to delegitimate the way they perceive and identify with gender. If gender is inherently detrimental as the radical feminists maintain and if trans identification occurs in part because gender is rigidly interpreted and represented through normative modalities of behaving, then there will be unceasing dissonance between these two groups. It is clear to me that gender as a construct and gender as endemic to the stereotypes that are necessarily spun from the sexed bodies of male and female are largely problematic. Analogue to this is the labelling of gender non-conformity in the attempt to wipe out behaviour that does not ‘fit in’ to the social which risks the disappearance, or at the very least the elision, of effeminate men and butch women from the social. Included in this province of those who are ‘left out’ is a friend’s daughter who just a few weeks ago at the age of eight, after waiting and watching daily for two and a half years at the side of the football pitch at public school, was finally allowed to join the boys."
www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/07/the-left-hand-of-darkness/

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