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Mermaids given £500,000 by National Lottery (Sunday Times)

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crsacre · 16/12/2018 00:51

A transgender charity that campaigns for children to be given prohibited sex-change treatment has been awarded £500,000 by the national lottery.

The payment to Mermaids has angered MPs, feminists and women’s organisations, who accuse the charity of bullying doctors, promoting falsehoods and using “emotional blackmail” to pressure parents to support life-changing medical interventions for their children. Mermaids will use the money to create a network of 45 groups nationwide.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/child-sex-change-charity-handed-500-000-by-national-lottery-dvbt7t2kb?shareToken=cd8d6faad97cd9dd3fe3f16eb3810f45

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R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 09:23

I got as far as the light switches being either on or off, but a dimmer switch can be a spectrum. Therefore boys and girls must be on a spectrum

As BeUP has commented, it really is important to skip through the first part and listen to the second half.
Comments there re suicide, legislation, schools policies, sexuality etc

HandsOffMyRights · 18/12/2018 09:29

You will hear how teachers don't need to follow safeguarding procedures because of the word 'trans'.

You will hear the trainer just 'move' on over fake suicide stats, before getting angry that somebody questions the script.

WrathofRancidKlop · 18/12/2018 09:30

Thanks Rowan. I will.

littlbrowndog · 18/12/2018 09:39

Yeah
Trainer was asked do we need to follow safeguarding
Trainer said no

littlbrowndog · 18/12/2018 09:40

also fudging on the age
If nearly 16 good enough
15 and 9 months good to go

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 09:43

The trainer does not understand safeguarding and child protection frameworks.

This is a common issue with those advocating for trans rights

littlbrowndog · 18/12/2018 09:49

When the trainer said that we are either cis gender or trans gender and the guy asked well how can I tell what I am
What’s the gold standard for being a man
And the trainer said it’s how the jelly bear in your head aligns
Haha ffs

littlbrowndog · 18/12/2018 10:12

The suicide bit was awful
The stats from the trainer was 45 % of trans kids attempt suicide
The guy challenged that
He said that if that is true then nearly 1 in 2 attempt suicide
And if parents are not being told by the school that their child has changed identities then it is a lot of pressure on the school
He als o said that Samaritans have said that weaponising suicide should not be done
The trainer said nothing

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 18/12/2018 10:30

Because a man jellybaby brain said it? A woman jellybaby would have been attacked and thrown out.

Apollo440 · 18/12/2018 11:12

Could someone just transcribe the highlights and a reference to the time it the audio. 100 pages of transcripts will put people off but a few pages of highlights could be widely circulated.

WrathofRancidKlop · 18/12/2018 11:29

Just finished listening.
The questioning man asking pertinent questions that appeared to rattle Jan.

Jan said:
LGBT is not a safeguarding issue.

Nobody needs to inform anyone outside of the school.
Only head teacher, support worker etc aware, on a need to know basis.

Keep this information safe and away from parents if necessary.

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, (but in reality a person only has to show intent or propose their intention).

They want to change the ethos from the bottom up.
Sample policies are available to use.
(So you don't have think - my words)

Self ID in a nutshell.
Coming to a school near you.

WrathofRancidKlop · 18/12/2018 11:48

Interesting that the birth name is needed in GCSE exams.
Not sure why that is.

LangCleg · 18/12/2018 11:56

JFC. Am I reading this right?

Jan said:

LGBT is not a safeguarding issue.

And then Jan went on to say:

Nobody needs to inform anyone outside of the school.
Only head teacher, support worker etc aware, on a need to know basis.

Keep this information safe and away from parents if necessary.

All of which are clear safeguarding concerns and put children at risk. Every paedophile in the land will see these failures and make a bee line to anywhere gender-questioning children can be found because they have been placed outside protections other children are afforded. Almost every Serious Case Review, in which a child has been seriously harmed or even died, highlights a failure of information sharing as a key cause. These people are discouraging information sharing. Not only that, they are encouraging parental alienation. Have these fools even looked at the dreadful outcomes for children who become estranged from their parents?

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Training for what? Telling lies to parents? Making them liable to possible future prosecutions for negligence leading to serious harm?

Needmoresleep · 18/12/2018 11:59

Interesting that the birth name is needed in GCSE exams.
Not sure why that is.

I knew an international student at Univrsity who paid for trips home each summer by sitting A levels for other stuendets in his home country. The more interesting question is why deadnaming may/is being allowed within child protection frameworks.

AspieAndProud · 18/12/2018 12:00

So if 50% of trans children attempt suicide (horseshit, but let’s go with it), and schools can’t inform the parents that their child is trans, they are saying a school should not inform parents their child has a 50:50 likelihood of attempting suicide.

These people are psychopaths.

LangCleg · 18/12/2018 12:00

Is anybody sending this recording to the Big Lottery Fund, along with a copy of Working Together, the statutory safeguarding guidance?

FFS. It doesn't even matter if you are for or against child transition. This outfit should be investigated at once. If you're for child transition (which I'm not) - find a charity that is Working Together compliant and support that.

Needmoresleep · 18/12/2018 12:01

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Training for what?

To increase revenues?

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:10

Almost every Serious Case Review, in which a child has been seriously harmed or even died, highlights a failure of information sharing as a key cause. These people are discouraging information sharing. Not only that, they are encouraging parental alienation. Have these fools even looked at the dreadful outcomes for children who become estranged from their parents?

Community Care (long running & influential social work publication) recently had an article suggesting that the ITV drama 'Butterfly' which was inspired by and based on Susie Green and Mermaids charity be used as training aid for social care workers.

OP stumbledin wrote:

"Good practice is based on listening to the child's needs and enabling them to express their wishes

www.communitycare.co.uk/2018/12/10/tv-shows-like-butterfly-can-teach-us-social-work-trans-children/

Only posting because the recommendation seems to be based on thinking the series was without flaws - not what one would want or expect from professionals"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3448221-Recommendation-that-Butterfly-used-as-training-material-for-social-workers

see also thread with resources / toolkit for social care workers, foster carers & young people within the care system, heavily influenced by trans rights activists (Tara Hewitt, Proud Trust whose patrons include Stephen Whittle & Christine Burns):

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

littlbrowndog · 18/12/2018 12:12

There was also a bit about loos and chaning rooms
The trans kid has a right to go into whichever suits their identity
If anybody questions this the trainer said if a person was Jewish would you stop them using loo or chaning rooms and that stops them questioning

If a person resists they the resister should be given another place to go to loo or chaning room
How that works erm ?

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:16

Receptionists and admin staff more likely to blow the cover, so they need training too.

Training for what?

To ensure whole-school compliance with Mermaids belief in absolute affirmation and acceptance that a child who declares they have a gender identity eg trans (or non-binary?) should be treated as having changed sex.

That the child's chosen new name, pronouns, access to toilets, changing rooms etc be completely respected as well as the fact that there has been a change be kept hidden.
Even (in some cases) from parents.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 18/12/2018 12:17

fuck me. listening to that recording

by september Jan wants all teachers to ask their pupils their pronouns at the start of term

silentcrow · 18/12/2018 12:19

Re GCSEs requiring real names: I can confirm this is a fraud/cheating prevention strategy particularly aimed at those who are doing exams independently at centres rather than as school students. (We check photo ID for sixth form and GCSE candidates are checked in by staff who know them on sight).

It also has safeguarding issues in that children using an assumed name who then must use their real name may then be vulnerable to being tracked down. Caused us a lot of headaches last year because as well as school staff and bank invigilators like me, we use a lot of agency staff as well so confidentiality has the potential to be quite porous.

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:26

The trans kid has a right to go into whichever suits their identity
If anybody questions this the trainer said if a person was Jewish would you stop them using loo or chaning rooms and that stops them questioning

If a person resists they the resister should be given another place to go to loo or chaning room

This is also in Allsorts Schoolkit.

Claire Graham goes through the policy and legislative issues with the Allsorts school's toolkit with focus on Safeguarding frameworks:

Guardian article May 2018
Schools pulled into row over helping transgender children
As more teens come out as trans, experts clash over how schools should help
(extract)

"Stephanie Davies-Arai, a parenting adviser, launched the Transgender Trend resource pack in February half-term, thinking it would barely get noticed. Instead, she says: “It just blew up”. The LGBT lobby group Stonewall accused Transgender Trend, the organisation Davies-Arai set up two-and-a-half years ago, of spreading “damaging myths, panic and confusion”, and advised local authorities not to use the pack. On Twitter, people piled in, with one describing the pack (which had been checked by lawyers) as a “modern edition of Mein Kampf”.

Davies-Arai says she took an interest in the subject because as a child she had felt herself to be a boy, and she didn’t think it was a good idea to label children like her as transgender because she believes that in some cases, these feelings resolve naturally by the end of adolescence.

While the Allsorts advice states that “trans pupils or students should have access to the changing room that corresponds to their gender identity” and that in PE lessons, students “should be enabled to participate in the activity which corresponds to their gender identity if this is what they request”, Davies-Arai argues that shared changing rooms present difficulties for some girls. Few teenage girls will be willing to admit that they feel uncomfortable sharing a changing room with a biologically male student, she says.

She points out that the technical guidance on the Equality Act for schools suggests offering students “private changing facilities, such as the staff changing room or another suitable space” – the approach taken at Miles’s school.

Susie Green, CEO of the charity Mermaids, disagrees, saying the debate about single-sex toilets seems “engineered to whip up fear” and is equivalent to “arguing people of colour shouldn’t be allowed to use the same toilets as white people in case they make them dirty”. (continues)

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

R0wantrees · 18/12/2018 12:29

by september Jan wants all teachers to ask their pupils their pronouns at the start of term

It is important to know where trans rights activists intend to try to effect change / control next.

THis is already happening in some schools in North America.

OvulaRasa · 18/12/2018 14:56

My post was deleted. I've hardly post, but I'll rephrase what I say:
I had a post deleted on the other thread. I have posted a couple of times but mostly read.

I was thanking A Giligam's article and that I sent my email as the mother of a GNC child who has been the object of attention by 'helpful allies' similar to those under Mernaids who overstepped the line and undermined my parental rights.

I also said that Mermaids still has the GPonline link to an illegal clinic who failed to pass the scrutiny to be registered. I also said that Paris Lee was mentioned on the site as an Allie and that they support each other. I said that despite PL considering life would have been better if Mermaids was around during PL childhood, the reality would be different if puberty blockers would have been administered and an underdeveloped genitalua (I did say peis) unable to sexually function would be part of PL experience. I also said I am not sure if PL has had any surgeries (I said SS) but the atrophy of genitalia would made such surgeries tricky.

This is what Mermaids is advocating for. Be not mistaken. Puberty blockers are very much in Susie Green's agenda.

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