Apple's billion dollar investment directed at allowing men into women's bathrooms

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" Big businesses helped kill the Texas bathroom bill two years ago, targeting it as discriminatory and unnecessary.

They said the legislation, which would have required Texans to use the restrooms that match their sex at birth, would have hampered efforts to woo new companies to the state and turned off convention planners and sports leagues looking at venues for events.

Now, some companies are doubling down on that commitment, citing diversity and inclusivity as factors in their decisions. Apple made this clear Thursday, when it announced a $1 billion investment in the capital city.

The bathroom bill, or something like it, may be back when state lawmakers meet in 2019. But opponents of these restroom regulations say the business community will again give them the ammunition they need to shoot down such divisive legislation.

But this is what the activists are campaigning for.

People to self identify as Women

Regardless of how much they have or haven't done to the body.

Kids as young as we have been given puberty blockers by a Dr who's just been investigated and fined for running an illegal online clinic.

And yes people such as graham linehan have had the police turn up at the door for not going along with it

As 12

Ah compassionate. That's your explanation for badgering and harassment of women into relinquishing boundaries. For insisting that women must give in against their wish. You believe you are entitled to give something away that belongs to women, not you because compassion. No compassion for women, but it does stretch to sex offenders, paraphilliacs and autogyneaphilics..

We get visitors here like you. You are the worst type of gaslighting manipulative men we get. The ones that claim to be compassionate.

in reality, a transwoman would be in a position to present evidence that she has been living as a woman, whereas a biological man would not be able to do so

Like what? You're not allowed to ask to see evidence of a grc.

Ime tech is desperate to be more diverse because companies are generally aware that having a workforce full of identikit workers doesn’t give the best results. I’m sure we’ve all used websites aimed at women for example that are utterly illogical and don’t work as you’d want them to - loads of women’s clothes sites for example. It’s often obvious when the tech don’t actually use the product and don’t seem to have any respect for the customers that do. Saying that, it’s incredibly difficult for tech companies in the U.K. at the moment to hire good people - there aren’t enough to go round, which also explains poor products we all end up working around the faults of.

Gender neutral cubicle toilets that open out into relatively public spaces seem to be the norm in the U.K. tech companies I’m aware of. Which is no good if you’d like a bit of privacy as for example, if you’re on your period you might need to use the toilet more often and lots of people will be aware of that if it’s very open. Also you need the men you work with (the majority of the workforce in tech) to be considerate, not leave piss all over the seat and not do stinky ass shits at work. So good luck with that.

Tech companies seem to play at corporate culture bullshit - brand new businesses that have no presence other than in the cloud seem to encourage behaviour that harks back to the worst of the yuppie 80s. It’s funny how the progressive stuff they’ve latched onto is the one where you change the toilet signs rather than the ones where you invest in your potential workforce that need help and support and funding to get to a point where they could apply to work for you in the first place.

I feel like when all this is over we should put out the collection hat and send Glinner a nice gift basket in recognition of his steadfast support of both women and reality.

Like Karen White you mean?

The rock stars comment, my first thought was yes but none of them fit the bill. Hmm, so is it that males in tech see themselves as being lesser men and bullying women is an easy, cheap shot? Does being perceived as a male nerd mean they go overboard when given ‘power’ ie moderating twitter??

But it's already come into play.

Girl guides now let boys in who identify as girls. Sharing tents and showers.

Schools issued guidance to affirm and keep from parents and allow to use opposite sex changing facilities.

Danielle Muscato took a place in a woman's refuge

In the real world, the laws would be written to stop sex offenders from taking advantage of the system

You mean just like we have at the moment with female only spaces?

the laws would be written to stop sex offenders from taking advantage of the system.

Here is Gordon pike. Gordon pike is a sex offender. Gordon pike helped draw up the rules for transfer of men into women’s jails. Half of transwomen offenders in British jails are sex offenders.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offender-gordon-pike-helped-set-prison-trans-rules-q8n3lnksv

Nothing to see here.

In the real world?

This person seems to have been living on the proverbial desert island.

Compassion. Not to women and girls, especially those who have been abused. We don't want men in our spaces.
What is wrong with men who can't take NO for an answer? It's just more abuse.
What decent man would behave like this?

You are aware that Karen White is a sex offender who took advantage of the system in order to continue offending (in the real world) and no law existed to stop 'her'?

It's very fortunate that sex offenders walk around with 'I am a sex offender' written on their foreheads then.

I seriously doubt this is how things would work in practice because it's obviously open to abuse. I imagine in reality, a transwoman would be in a position to present evidence that she has been living as a woman, whereas a biological man would not be able to do so.

'The cautionary tale of Karen White, the transgender rapist'

"Karen White is a rapist and child abuser who has committed several acts of sexual violence against vulnerable people. One of the women Karen White raped was pregnant. Karen White is now going to spend a long time in jail.

Next week, a Government consultation on reforming the Gender Recognition Act 2004 will end. That’s the law that allows someone, for example, born male to be legally recognised as female, under certain conditions: you have to show you’ve lived in your new gender for two years, and a doctor has to certify that you have gender dysphoria or another condition that underpins your transition.

Some people think those conditions should be relaxed. They say the state has no business asking people to prove their own identity and that such rules are an unfair burden on transgender people who have quite enough trouble already in a society where they suffer prejudice and worse. The people and groups who make this case sometimes say that the “gatekeeping” elements of the gender change regime should be removed, so that a person can change legal gender on the basis of their own testimony, and nothing more.

The ministers who announced the consultation haven’t clearly said what they think about this, but Theresa May has said she wants to “demedicalise” the GRA process, and Penny Mordaunt, the women’s minister has said similar things.

What does that slightly technical Whitehall process have to do with Karen White and the women Karen White raped and abused?

Karen White attacked some of those women in New Hall prison, a women’s prison. Karen White, then awaiting trial for rape, was in New Hall because Karen White says Karen White is transgender. Born male and still possessing a male body (including the penis used to rape that pregnant woman), Karen White was treated as a woman by the prison service, because Karen White said Karen White was a woman." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/the-cautionary-tale-of-karen-white-the-transgender-rapist/

Lots and lots of Kleenex.

Nuns!
Reverse!

Come on, keep telling us why we are wrong. We’ve got data for everything and it’s great to have a thread to put it all down. You’ve done a grand job.

I’m still waiting for my cash from the Christian Right btw.....

I seriously doubt this is how things would work in practice because it's obviously open to abuse. I imagine in reality, a transwoman would be in a position to present evidence that she has been living as a woman, whereas a biological man would not be able to do so

Have you been living under a rock?
This is exactly what has been playing out over recent years.
It's exactly how Lily Madigan gained a position in the Labour party through an all-women's shortlist despite only "living as a woman" for a very short while.
It's exactly how rapist Karen White gained a space in a woman's prison where they sexually assaulted and raped 4 female inmates.
It's PRECISELY how all of those sexual abuses in Target stores were able to take place.
It's how Rachel Mckinnon was able to break a a women's cycling world record despite only "living as a woman" for a short while.

Transwomen ARE biological men. Biological men only need to utter the magic words "I identify as a woman" and ta daa women are instantly screwed over.

Sex offenders will target anywhere that's easiest, which in their mind, might be a mixed-gender toilet. That doesn't mean they would stop offending if mixed gender toilets didn't exist

Ahh. I understand now, thanks for the insightful explanation. There's a fixed quota of sex crimes that must be committed by every pervert, and once the pervert has used up his quota for the year then no more offences will be committed. So, you see when you look at it that way, it doesn't matter whether toilets and changing rooms are arranged in a way that gives sex offenders the opportunity and cover to offend.

Except of course doesn't actually work that way, and sex offenders are opportunistic and when they have more opportunities to offend they commit more offences. Who the hell is this ridiculous person coming in and mansplaining absolute SHITE to everyone?

Also, in Norway (which has self-ID) it has already happened that a woman has been accused of harassment based on transgender status for challenging a man's presence in the women's changing rooms. In the USA women have had their gym memberships cancelled for raising questions, even when the "transwoman" was behaving in suspicious ways that suggested she might be surreptitiously filming.

But it's so great that this guy has come here to share with us that he imagines things like that wouldn't happen! I mean, if the Famous PJ imagines it's not going to cause any problems, who are we to argue, and indeed who is reality to argue, with the imagination of the Famous PJ?

a juvenile sense of disgust and fear which women feel towards normal male anatomy.
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