Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

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broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Thought people might be interested in this article. One thing that strikes me is the 'reducing women to their biology' argument. Don't transwomen 'know' they're not male because their body feels wrong? Then it is about biology isn't it? Otherwise why do they think they're female?

This is the best idea I have ever heard in my life

Thank you.

This is Eve's justification of The dehumanisation of t**fs on Twitter.

Well I can only speak for myself but when I said that trans women should be allowed on women-only shortlists, they contacted all the outlets in my bio to try and get me sacked and sent me explicit and sometimes violent photos across multiple platforms, hope that helps!

Presumably she has evidence of this. Anyone seen it?

Who's 'they'?

Presumably she has evidence of this. Anyone seen it?

I haven't. Receipts, please.

What I have seen, however, is explicit confirmation in Eve's article that MN is monitored by these nitwits. Something @MNHQ should be trained to spot, as we keep suggesting.

MNHQ. Two words: Freedom Programme.

they contacted all the outlets in my bio to try and get me sacked and sent me explicit and sometimes violent photos across multiple platforms

Ah, good old projection (with a dose of truth-bending) in action again!

I wonder if that actually happened, it was men that did that because she’s a woman who spoke in public and that’s not allowed is it? Even if you say all the right things there’s still be a man or two who wants you to shut up, as perhaps she will realise.

Mince pie vodka sounds amazing

Who's 'they'?!

Someone said they were curious as to how Eve had been intimidated. Is that something that she wrote about in her article? Disclaimer, I couldn't get through it. Assumed she meant gc feminists.

I also note that on the Twitter feed there are quite a few TRAs pouring petrol on the entire thing saying mumsnet hate transpeople, etc.

They do seem to be consumed with rage about women. I'm sure that takes precedence over the obvious fact that they look like the last person anyone wants in their space. Sacrificing their credibility appears to be acceptable if it means they can hate women publicly.

I don't like mince pies. It's a good job we tolerate free speech in FWR.

Just more bollocks from eve

Prove it love

I'd particularly like a description of the "violent photos". I assume she passed them on to police.

It's strange that the worst thing she could muster up in the article was being called a "witless handmaiden", what with all the violent threats and harassment she was getting from gender critical women. This is ground zero for TFdom, after all.

And for the record, of course transwomen should not be on all women shortlists. You'd end up with an entire shortlist of biological males.

How people have been brainwashed sufficiently by TWAW to not see the insanity of this, is really beyond me.

I understand if you are a woman hating person who is consumed daily by your misogyny. But someone who requires a certain level of credibility to have a career? I'll never get it.

I'm flattered to be called middle-aged these days. Thanks, Eve

ignoring the actions and behaviour of TRAs. Rape and murder threats, physical attacks, urine splashed on office doors, highly regarded University academics living in fear because they dare to doubt the trans cult ideology,

There is a vocal minority of TRA's that claim to represent and speak for transsexual people.

That is not the case. Many many transitioning transsexual people reject modern cult ideology and are horrified at the direction things have taken. Transsexual people themselves have found themselves targeted by TRA's who have invaded their identity, rebranded it as "transgender" and added in self identity and sexual motivation.

There are groups online of transsexual women who have had to hide their identity over fear of being abuse and attacked.

Rejecting modern transgender agenda is NOT TRANSPHOBIC. Facts are not transphobic.

By using accusations of transphobia and hate crime to silence all debate the end result is that the people who are genuinely being subjected to that abuse aren't being taken seriously.

Does anyone have a good recipe for flapjacks? A far better use of porridge oars in my opinion

I love flapjacks so a good recipe would be appreciated. Thanks!

“ an especially narrow vision of woman hood - that specifically excludes trans women “ - writes Livingston

Jeez ffs all sorts of wrong with that

Keep the recipes coming toxics

And why don’t they go and monitor wher3 men gather and talk about transgender stuff
Tha5 would blow their minds tbh

Sacrificing their credibility appears to be acceptable if it means they can hate women publicly.

Doesn't it just? Sunlight sets them off, dontchaknow.

an especially narrow vision of woman hood - that specifically excludes trans women

It's An especially narrow bit of thinking that doesn't understand how we can't make ourselves believe that men are women, I'd say.

My vision of 'womanhood' does not and can never include someone who is a man claiming to be a woman because he 'feels' like one.

Eve tweets:

There's been lots of good writing about Mumsnet recently but here's an in-depth piece I've worked on for a while

Did Vice pay her for this or is it one of the sites that doesn’t pay for content?

It’s not exactly the NY Times exposing Trump tax fraud - there must be loads of journalists who have more ‘in depth’ knowledge of mumsnet than demonstrated in this article.

Very odd. I think this an example of why it is important to pay for newspapers.

Background:

Eve Livingston
Vice President (Societies and Activities) 2014/15 Edinburgh University
"A huge amount of the manifesto I ran for election on and the work I’ve done in the ten months since taking office has been on liberation activism, and we’ve had some huge wins and achievements. We’ve seen large-scale and successful Black History, Disability History and LGBT+ months as well as a fantastic International Women’s
Day. We’ve seen a dedicated campaign against culturally appropriative costumes and an anti-sexual harassment campaign which was the springboard for conversations with the University which have led to their commitment on a strategic response to sexual harassment including staff training, policy development and publicity campaigns. Our liberation conveners and their groups have been tireless in fighting against oppression and marginalisation, and we’ve introduced liberation
activism to sports teams and societies through ‘All In’, where we addressed barriers to participation in activities. And that’s just skimming the surface.

I’m incredibly proud of this work. We’ve made liberation activism more accessible and forced these issues onto the University’s agenda. This has also resulted in engagement on this from a whole new group of students, and often this has been positive. But we’ve also seen opposition to the autonomy and self-organising of
liberation groups, accusations of ‘reverse racism’, and protests against safe space and no platform policies which are in the interests of our liberation campaigns.

Let’s be clear; some of this is malicious, even if that malice is subconscious, and comes from powerful people not wanting to renounce that power. But I also think that too often we have undertaken great and important liberation activism from a
start point of presumed knowledge which not all our students have. So I’ve put together this resource about liberation activism, not to open the door for students to question the rights of oppressed students to self-organise, or to legitimise those who say that liberation campaigns are too complicated or inaccessible, but so that our students are equipped with some level of basis knowledge about why this work is so important and why we hold the beliefs about it that we do." (continues)

evelivingston.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/liberation-activism-101-toolkit.pdf

Lol you fucker!

“ an especially narrow vision of woman hood - that specifically excludes trans women “ - writes Livingston

That's what womanhood is, you plank.

Interesting that nowhere does Eve define what Eve thinks woman and womanhood actually are.

Seems to be a remarkable oversight.

an especially narrow vision of woman hood - that specifically excludes trans women

Pretty broad definition of womanhood I'd say: "being an adult human female". Includes all kinds of personalities, all kind of tastes, all kinds of behaviours. Why the fuck anyone thinks it's narrow and sexist to say "my reproductive system makes me female" but groundbreaking and inclusive to say "my inherently passive and empathising brain and taste for dresses and fluffy things makes me female" beats me.

Anyway must dash, I'm a mom now so I need to stop doing all this thinking and coo harmlessly over some Sudocrem.

*Does anyone have a good recipe for flapjacks? A far better use of porridge oars in my opinion"

I just mix up anything I can find in the cupboard. Sometimes it's fabulous. (Often not, don't use shreddies)

The vast majority of silent transpeople need to start doing something like contacting their MPs sharpish. Policies are been made for the 'vocal few'.