School have a trans information session/day

[PerverseConverse]

My year 7 DD is upset as they have been told they are covering transgender issues in the new year. She doesn't know when exactly it is but has said she doesn't want to go to school that day. I don't know any details at the moment and she's not been told much either.

I've pointed out that it's a good opportunity for her to raise questions and challenge the trend but at 11 it's a big ask of her. If it's too big an ask for her to challenge at that age then as far as I'm concerned it's inappropriate for her to be taught indoctrinated about this in school. She is well aware of trans issues and the wider debate and issues facing women and I'm proud that she's gender critical and thinks it's all bollocks However she's worried that speaking up will get her in trouble

I do not want her exposed to any nonsense in school so will find out when it is and tell them she will not be attending and why.

It makes me so angry that they are peddling this nonsense to children who are in the midst of puberty, adjusting to life at high school, freaking out at mixed sex toilets (previous thread on that), and are generally st a very impressionable age.

What's the best way to tackle the school? I've already sent the headmaster the Trans Trend school resources link in connection with the toilet situation. I told them we weren't supporting CIN and why. And now this!

I think there is quite a lot of bullying on these boards. Anyone who disagrees with the party line on here is verbally abused. Most get driven away. It's a lovely gang this.

Being disagreed with does not equal bullying and verbal abuse. Please report anything that does actually constitute bullying/abuse, you'll find MNHQ very quick to delete it.

Heaven forbid we should have our own opinions and voices 🙄

Oh I do report it and it does get deleted, but it is frequent and subtle. Bullies are clever. But many personal attacks are made on people here, rather than a debate of their points.

F4 I've never seen you try and debate anything. You ignore any questions and just keep saying what about my poor child.

I rest my case.

So Fem4 do you agree with the Stonewall definition of trans or do you think the trans umbrella is too wide? That's debating the points.

PerverseConverse, I sympathise with you 100% & send you and .

This will pass. Stick to your guns. Things come in and out of vogue.

I’m not here to discuss Stonewall. Please don’t derail this thread.

I heard something on the radio this morning about a programme of evidence based weekly lessons given to 11-15 year olds on life skills to boost mental health. That sounded more the ticket to me.

Naturally, I can't find it on the BBC Education page .

Stonewall are informing these organizations and schools. It's not derailing. So, F4, do you agree with their definition of trans?

Hilarious that Feminist4 accuses us of driving people away, whereas in fact what happens is that they silently lurk the boards till they spot their moment, unleash a torrent of accusation and invective on us for being mean, and then won't leave us alone

It's you who have derail this thread F4! Same as you derail all the others.

I'd be concerned as to what is going to be taught, but if they are simply going to cover the fact that some people are born a particular sex, but they don't identify as that sex, and therefore take steps to live a life identifying as trans I don't have a problem with it. It happens, and kids will be exposed to it, either directly at school or through the media. The problem I have is with what's actually going to be taught, not the concept of educating children about transgender individuals.

I can assure you I don’t lurk. I have better things to do than listen to the same old arguments over and over. I come here because I’m a masochist for my weekly dose of abuse.

I've not abused you Fem4. I have asked if you agree with a certain definition. You're allowed to have a view either way. I personally don't agree with the stonewall definition and think it does people with gender dysphoria a disservice. I would be genuinely interested in your opinion.

Feminist4, I thought your trans kid was 24? And living independently with a partner?

Because this is a thread about current 11 year olds, so you are already derailing it.

Stonewall is more relevant than your adult child’s experience of school, almost a decade and half has gone by since your kid was 11.

educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/public/files/Projects/Evaluation_Reports/Healthy_Minds_interim_paper.pdf

Tracked it down at last!

Wouldn't it be marvellous if all these gender unicorns/bread persons had gone through some open, rigorous evidence-based assessment process before being let into schools.

I am so sick and tired of this Anti-science bullshit being peddled in schools. You can’t on the one hand teach basic biological facts and then have a special away day from reason, where students are taught that all they know scientifically is wrong.
There is no scientific evidence to suggest you can be born in the wrong body, why the hell is this pap being regurgitated to unquestioning kids in schools.

Precisely because they're unquestioning and inclined to accept as true things taught to them at school. They're vulnerable to manipulation in a way adults are not.

Manipulation of young minds is not the way to produce healthy adults.

Teenagers have enough to deal with growing up and becoming self-supporting. It is a big cliff and there are not the clear stable routes forward for them that there were.

Betty, my daughter is older, but I can have an opinion that isn’t related to her. I’m not sure where I stand on Stonewall’s position. What I do believe is that lumping men who may choose to dress as women to attack women with trans women with gender dysphoria is damaging to the latter.

but given that there's no way to differentiate then having no male people in women's spaces is the only way forward - unless of course, trans people wish to campaign for a third space. That is up to them, of course.

Feminists have been saying this for bloody years!

Male bodied people are male bodied people, Feminist4.

It’s Male-bodied people are excluded from spaces for female-bodied people - having a medical diagnosis doesn’t change anything.

And this really IS a derailment now.

OP - have you heard anything from school regarding the materials they plan to use for the session and who supplied them?

BettyDuMonde I'm trying to find out exactly what it all entails. My daughter isn't sure so going to have to contact school and ask.