School have a trans information session/day

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My year 7 DD is upset as they have been told they are covering transgender issues in the new year. She doesn't know when exactly it is but has said she doesn't want to go to school that day. I don't know any details at the moment and she's not been told much either.

I've pointed out that it's a good opportunity for her to raise questions and challenge the trend but at 11 it's a big ask of her. If it's too big an ask for her to challenge at that age then as far as I'm concerned it's inappropriate for her to be taught indoctrinated about this in school. She is well aware of trans issues and the wider debate and issues facing women and I'm proud that she's gender critical and thinks it's all bollocks However she's worried that speaking up will get her in trouble

I do not want her exposed to any nonsense in school so will find out when it is and tell them she will not be attending and why.

It makes me so angry that they are peddling this nonsense to children who are in the midst of puberty, adjusting to life at high school, freaking out at mixed sex toilets (previous thread on that), and are generally st a very impressionable age.

What's the best way to tackle the school? I've already sent the headmaster the Trans Trend school resources link in connection with the toilet situation. I told them we weren't supporting CIN and why. And now this!

Hopefully it will just be a tiny part of a bigger, ‘some people are ... and that’s ok’ diversity talk and not Stoat and Vole or some other trans youth ‘celeb’. Or that confused Genderbread thing!

I think it’s marvellous that schools are addressing these issues and kids learn acceptance of people who are different from the conventional norms. It’s an important step in averting the bullying of children who don’t conform to the rigid expectations of the more traditional ideas of society.

Except that is the opposite of what the ‘gingerbread’ narrative teaches. Departure from the norm is not apparently accepatable and anybody who doesn’t conform to gender expectations must clearly have the wrong body.

It’s an wxtremely toxic blend of sexism and homophobia dressed up as progressiveness.

lumping men who may choose to dress as women to attack women with trans women with gender dysphoria is damaging to the latter.

Yes, completely agree, but that is what self ID would do.

It’s the difference between teaching about religion - some people believe x, and as long as they are not harming anyone they should be free to practice their religion without fear of persecution; and religious indoctrination - if you don’t believe in God you are going to hell.

I’m not concerned about children being ‘turned trans’. I am concerned about them being taught that certain traits are abnormal for men or women, that lesbians aren’t proper women, and that there are no consequences to being born with a male or female body.

It’s an extremely toxic blend of sexism and homophobia dressed up as progressiveness.

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This, with bells on.

What I do believe is that lumping men who may choose to dress as women to attack women with trans women with gender dysphoria is damaging to the latter.

At last I can agree with something you say, Feminist4. But this is exactly what Stonewall are doing by including such people as crossdressers under their trans umbrella. Please take it up with Stonewall, and sign this petition.

www.ipetitions.com/petition/dear-stonewall-please-reconsider-your-approach

Schools must be stopped from spreading this hateful misinformation regarding the supposed benefits of transitioning from ones biological sex to 'ones preferred sex' to CHILDREN.
First, it is a biological impossibility.
Second, transitioning is financially ruinous for most households, given the ongoing dependency on drugs and surgery.
Third, those who have undergone sex reassignment surgery have much higher risks of; death, suicide, and psychiatric inpatient care. Link to journal article on the increased risks of morbidity here:
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Is the school holding a "gay information session"?

Is the school holding a "sexual assault and consent information session"?

Or any other type of special information sessions? If it's genuinely part of a serious of sessions covering difficult issues, that's one thing. If it's just a sparkly special trans session, then I would be asking hard questions about where the impetus - and materials - for this had come from

I really think schools could teach compassion for any child with gender dysphoria without endorsing it and saying anything about the completely unproven idea of everyone having an image gender identity. If gender were taught as construct it would so much easier for people to choose to reject it of they wish.

as someone else said, not too long ago when homosexuality was being discussed more openly some parents were horrified and outraged. Now it's that all over again but with trans instead.

Yes, agree with this by OlennasWimple:

Is the school holding a "gay information session"?

Is the school holding a "sexual assault and consent information session"?

Or any other type of special information sessions? If it's genuinely part of a serious of sessions covering difficult issues, that's one thing. If it's just a sparkly special trans session, then I would be asking hard questions about where the impetus - and materials - for this had come from

My children are past school now, so I don't know.

So, for example - are pupils also given talks by women's groups regarding the rights of women and girls? And what to do and who to contact if girls feel that their rights are being ignored, their boundaries swept aside?

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as someone else said, not too long ago when homosexuality was being discussed more openly some parents were horrified and outraged.

Teaching children that there is such a thing as 'woman-ness' or 'man-ness' combines both homophobia and sexism.

I work in a large secondary school with over a thousand students aged 11-16. Amongst those students, there are precisely zero girls with short hair. In the sixth form, there is one girl with short hair.

We definitely seem to have moved backwards, rather than forwards, in terms of acceptance of what it means to be male or female. I would really hope that any discussion of trans awareness would involve lots of discussion that not fitting these stereotypes doesn't mean you are not that sex. I fear that it would be all about accepting those stereotypes rather than challenging them.

So, for example - are pupils also given talks by women's groups regarding the rights of women and girls? And what to do and who to contact if girls feel that their rights are being ignored, their boundaries swept aside?

That would have been a bit help to me - my career got fucked over when I went on maternity leave, missed out on promotion as a result because the process was so long, and had nowhere to leave DS to go back to work. I thought the laws had all been sorted.

Please stop conflating trans rights with gay rights. I support trans rights for self determination but we all need to challenge them to the hilt, When TRAs start laying claims to women’s right to speak, rights to organise, rights to privacy and single sex spaces and rights to hold opinions different from their own.

Trans is not gay, they are nothing alike. Gay is same sex love which was illegal. Trans is saying you are the opposite sex and wanting others to agree with you. Trans is lifetime medication, surgery, or popping some lippy on and wanting access to all female space. Trans is often homophobic as it trumps sex and shames people who seek same sex relationships.

Trans has co-opted some of the gay language.

Indeed, and all the organisations created to support gay people.

New NC for Christmas but I'm OP.

It's a whole week of LGBTQ. I'll be asking what exactly that entails.

A whole week?
Are all these pupils getting Grade 9s so easily that they dont have to bother with the curriculum anymore?

Its ridiculous, of course schools should be dealing with these issues but not at the expense of a weeks education.

A week? Do they spend quite so much time
Encouraging the kids to look after the environment, those on need, volunteering or doing activities that will help them in later life (life skills or sports/health)?

I would be asking how much time this is taking - dear god is they were suggesting spending that time on religious education, there would be parents rioting.

I can’t quite get my head around why so much time is devoted to this in schools.

It should be the whole biological thing (not open to debate) and citizenship (or whatever it’s called these days) with the message of no bullying, don’t discriminate, treat others as you would like to be treated, look after your family and friends and tread lightly on the earth.

Maybe I'm being a bit thick but what exactly do they need to know at age 11 about different sexualities and fetishes and disorders such as dysphoria? Time would be better spent on other things. DD does not want to go in that week. She knows and understands it's ok to love whoever you love; and be whoever you want to be as long as you're not hurting yourself or others. She understands respect and dignity and diversity and I'm not sure what else she needs to know at this age.

We all knew that at 11. And no. We don’t need children to be educated in sexuality when the guidelines have been contributed by and influenced by furries and adult babies (and the rest, including biology deniers). It’s like getting the flat earthers to teach science (it’s alllll a conspiracy people! ‘They’ are listening to us right now 👀’) or fundamentalist Christians to teach evolution (it’s a lie - the devil hid dinosaurs bones to trick us!).

What did Kiara say that got deleted so quickly??