School have a trans information session/day

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My year 7 DD is upset as they have been told they are covering transgender issues in the new year. She doesn't know when exactly it is but has said she doesn't want to go to school that day. I don't know any details at the moment and she's not been told much either.

I've pointed out that it's a good opportunity for her to raise questions and challenge the trend but at 11 it's a big ask of her. If it's too big an ask for her to challenge at that age then as far as I'm concerned it's inappropriate for her to be taught indoctrinated about this in school. She is well aware of trans issues and the wider debate and issues facing women and I'm proud that she's gender critical and thinks it's all bollocks However she's worried that speaking up will get her in trouble

I do not want her exposed to any nonsense in school so will find out when it is and tell them she will not be attending and why.

It makes me so angry that they are peddling this nonsense to children who are in the midst of puberty, adjusting to life at high school, freaking out at mixed sex toilets (previous thread on that), and are generally st a very impressionable age.

What's the best way to tackle the school? I've already sent the headmaster the Trans Trend school resources link in connection with the toilet situation. I told them we weren't supporting CIN and why. And now this!

Not saying anyone is 'pushing kids' into becoming transgender.

But I am saying I see less education sessions by these brave and stunning lobby groups going into schools and giving these kids other options.

Which many, many women and men on this site and on social media are saying is their lived experience.

That they didn't align to those 'traditional' ideas that you allude to, that they explored different clothing, presentation, likes, dislikes, without having someone show them a genderbread slide and suggest that if their likes were more 'GI Joe' than 'Barbie' then maybe they'd need to assess their gender fucking identity. Or their 'woman-ness' or 'man-ness'.

And to a question previously in this thread, how you present in your likes, clothing, activity is nothing to do with your sexual orientation and to link the two is incredibly homophobic and out-dated.

You present a very simplistic idea of what trans people go through.

Being trans is not about clothing.

Look at the stonewall trans umbrella and say that again. Tell Pip Bince that too.

Consider the difference of an adult making the decision - versus a child being persuaded that by bit following gender norms they are on some way ‘broken’.

I think the newer groups presenting "trans-information" presentations to schools present a very simplistic idea of what humans go through during puberty.

I don’t understand why, when they have sex education - why do the need this warped version of ‘gender education’.

I think many posters on here have a very simplistic idea of what being trans is. It seems to bear no relation to my daughter’s experience.

And maybe you have a simplistic idea of what it’s like to be ‘gender unconforming’ as a child - and ripe for those agencies who would suggest that you are transsexual.

Gender is a social construct. That is all. It is not an indication of sexually.

The thread isnt about your male child who likes to use female spaces.

Its about the trans propoganda being pushed in schools,which does include telling children they are trans if they wear the "wrong" clothing.

Have a look at the Barbie/ Action man scale Mermaids use, or the 10,000 dresses book.

It’s also about the confusion between transsexual and transvestite. 2 very different kettles of fish.

Yep, so none of our lived experience bears witness, because of your daughter?

I empathise with your daughter's experience, and gender dysphoria, like any dysphoria, is emotionally and physically difficult, hard to navigate and has a wider impact on family and friends.

But I think you're out of step with the modern definition of 'trans', as you know because many people have pointed that out to you over the last few months.

And 'trans' does not now mean just gender dysphoria. It's 'identities' and choices.

And it also does not mean that the whole of society must relocate its axis around your daughter's experience, and have to ensure that gender stereotypes are enforced and adhered to unless you are 'trans', that we cannot talk about many of our experiences of feeling uncomfortable in our bodies as teenagers, of pushing against traditional stereotypes, but also emerging from that time still able to conceive, function sexually, without physical scars.

And to not allow many of us to speak out for the multitiude of other children who come after us who may well be the same, but who will have little guidance other than the genderbread 'spectrum' to align yourself on.

I never suggested it should revolve around my daughter's view. But, my daughter and other trans women should not be put in the same sentence and, therefore, associated with rapists.

NAMALT and NATWALT.

That better?

Being trans is not about clothing.

But the Stonewall definition of trans includes cross dressers. And Philip Bunce 'becomes' Pips when he puts on a dress. And that makes him eligible to get awards for women in business.

I don't think so Old Crone. But you want to scare people into thinking that it will be the end of the road for women.

As threatened by some lovely activists on social media?

And there we have it. A gift that keeps giving.

A Mumsnet thread concerned about young people's wellbeing and mental health.

Concerns raised about the risk of a new type of homophobia driven either accidentally or intentionally by some of the common trans-educational materials being used in schools right now.

A general discussion about dysphoria, puberty, risks of medicalisation. The issues of conflating gender with sex.

One for the lovely lurkers reading. Thread suddenly accused of conflating in a sentence transwomen and rapists.

Anyone on this thread putting 'transwomen' in the same sentence as rapists?

(And, given this is a thread about school-aged children, why would we be discussing transwomen anyway?)

I don't think so Old Crone.

What do you mean F4? Everything I said in that post is true. Here's the Stonewall definition of trans:

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

See it for yourself here:
www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#t

And here's Philip Bunce
www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gender-fluid-exec-named-on-list-of-top-100-women-in-business-a3942896.html

According to Stonewall and other TRAs, crossdressing does, actually make you trans. In Bunce's case it actually makes him a woman when he puts on a frock.

Shit - I’m in my civvies at work today and my clothes are dangerously blokeish.

Fekko you're just not womaning right!

Schools should be pusging 'an agenda' of no bullying full stop. There is NO acceptable reason for a child to be bullied.

Telling kids the reasons not to bully other kids seems counter intuitive.

Better to preach acceptance of all kids and kindness which means you don't actually have to agree to another's religion, or 'gender ideas' or share the interests or cultural heritage or body size or anyone BUT you do need to treat everyone fairly! IMHO.

So we don't need trans propaganda in schools. Actually there is so much on the internet I suspect that is the main cause of contagion here. That is not to doubt real issues existing for trans identifying children.

Italiangreyhound

Could you write a PSHE program and roll it out to all schools please?

Nobody should be bullying anybody and there needs to be a national investigation into what kids are looking at online.

RepealTheGRA I wonder if mumsmet HQ could 'spearhead' (is that the right word?) such a campaign?

I heard a program segment on radio 4 last night and they identified three groups bullied, bullying and bystander. The item was about changong bystander mentality. All very noble.

However, the presnenter mentiom something like what horrible 'need' was being satisfied for the bully. Words to that affect. Implying those who bully had some need to do so! I was really angry and may write to Radio 4.

Bullies do not need to bully. They want to. There may be deep seated issues for the bully or there may not. But either way bullying is a choice. Being a bystander is a choice. The only person with no choice is the target!

But, my daughter and other trans women should not be put in the same sentence and, therefore, associated with rapists.

Agreed. Your problem is with the men using the disguise of being trans, not the women on here who are concerned for children. This is what we’ve been saying all along.

But it’s just easier to attack women isn’t it? Than stand up to men.