School have a trans information session/day

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My year 7 DD is upset as they have been told they are covering transgender issues in the new year. She doesn't know when exactly it is but has said she doesn't want to go to school that day. I don't know any details at the moment and she's not been told much either.

I've pointed out that it's a good opportunity for her to raise questions and challenge the trend but at 11 it's a big ask of her. If it's too big an ask for her to challenge at that age then as far as I'm concerned it's inappropriate for her to be taught indoctrinated about this in school. She is well aware of trans issues and the wider debate and issues facing women and I'm proud that she's gender critical and thinks it's all bollocks However she's worried that speaking up will get her in trouble

I do not want her exposed to any nonsense in school so will find out when it is and tell them she will not be attending and why.

It makes me so angry that they are peddling this nonsense to children who are in the midst of puberty, adjusting to life at high school, freaking out at mixed sex toilets (previous thread on that), and are generally st a very impressionable age.

What's the best way to tackle the school? I've already sent the headmaster the Trans Trend school resources link in connection with the toilet situation. I told them we weren't supporting CIN and why. And now this!

How do you make somebody comfortable with who they are by affirming something they are not?

You can’t. Conflict between a persons own belief system and outside pressure causes problems - it always comes out somehow/somewhere.

gobbin I don't think 11 year olds need any talks at school on sexuality. At this age they know about human reproduction in fairly basic terms and know that some people are gay and that it's ok to be gay and to love who ever you love. Beyond that and puberty I don't think they need to be taught anything else and I think the above should be taught at home and confirmed by school education. That's enough to be going on with along with all the changes that starting high school brings without confusing them by telling them lies about changing sex. Interesting how they are peddling this shit at the age when puberty is just getting underway so that those freaking out can then decide that it's just too much and they'll have puberty blockers to be someone else so they don't have to go through the natural changes of growing up. Arrested development for which those peddling this abuse should be arrested.

I agree, whilst clearly as they grow older, PSHE is very important but there appears to be too much emphasis, now including exploring sexuality and gender.
My DD1 and her friendship group adopted a books not boys mantra based on their observation that those with boyfriends didn't do so well in exams and the A level results absolutely provided the evidence for this.
I had a discussion with DD2's friends over supper this week about Michelle Obama's autobiography which was aired on radio 4 with her reading from it last week. In the first few minutes she described how she arrived at college, kissed her teen boyfriend goodbye and never saw him again. One of the girls piped up in agreement, citing friends who have delayed going to university because they don't want to separate, and won't commit to future career training because they want to do different things (one was planning on joining the army, Uni for the other).
Schools, especially girls schools, would do far better to have discussions about these sorts of ideas, promoting hard work and keeping an eye on the main goal. And children who are busy with their sport, books, music, jobs, really don't have time for all this navel gazing. The best protection they could have.

Michelle Obama, available for twenty days.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00017q0

What about those kids who prefer to identify as the opposite gender (we have trans pupils). How do we help them to feel comfortable with who they are, rather than the bandwaggoners that some of you seem to think they must be?

You tell them they don’t have to identify as anyone except themself. You tell them that gender is a load of bollocks and that nobody owns make-up or skirts or short hair or rugby. You tell them that they are good enough as they are and that they are expressing themselves, not somebody else with a different body.

You are also completely honest and you tell them that while it is possible to make some cosmetic changes, it is not possible to change sex.

Tell them tattoos absolutely fine to be themselves - wear what they want, cut their hair how the want, and play with the toys they like.

It doesn’t make them the opposite sex because they prefer one thing over another. Women aren’t a born with a preference for pink, high heels and glitter ffs.

You also ask them to think about why it’s important to have language that clearly describe people who are really being oppressed, and why it’s so dangerous to lose those words.

You get them to think about what it’s like to be a woman in a country where contraception can’t be accessed, or to be a lesbian in a country where women only have value because they can marry a man, or to be a gay person travelling to a country where homosexuality is illegal, and you ask whether any of these people can ‘identify’ out of their situation.

I was just about to fill out a form for DS and this cracker caught my eye. This part, the children are supposed to complete.

I will suggest he is creative in his response. This is the school where vile and vomit spoke recently.

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I cross out gender every time and write sex. I might add a note on how gender is a social construct that is damaging to both sexes.

I usually do but I’m trying to behave for the school...

I think it’s marvellous that schools are addressing these issues and kids learn acceptance of people who are different from the conventional norms. It’s an important step in averting the bullying of children who don’t conform to the rigid expectations of the more traditional ideas of society.

What a load of bollocks. Sex isn’t gender, and what particular social construct they see themselves as is completely irrelevant in this particular case as it’s to do with a residential stay.

Kids are pretty accepting - until you try to tell them that day is night.

Kids are pretty accepting unless their parents indoctrinate them with anti-trans propaganda.

Who is?

I think it would be marvellous if schools would address the current and very concerning issues that gender stereotypes seem to be tightening and closing in to tie certain expectations to each sex, and that kids learn acceptance of people who are keen to break out from the current and bizarrely* increasing pressure of 'conventional norms' to be able to be dress how they want, wear their hair how they want, like certain stuff, not like certain stuff.

(*It's not bizarre - a small group of adult people need these gender stereotypes to be firmly in place to validate their own ideology)

That would be an important step in averting the bullying of children who don’t conform to the rigid expectations of the more {upsurge in enforcement of outdated) traditional ideas of society and stereotypes.

Sadly, the current prevailing message from groups keen to go in and 'help' schools seems to be "hey boys and girls, don't like the gender expectations connected with your sex being increasingly pushed? you must be non-binary/trans".

Agreed!

Trans ideology is all about traditional and rigid expectations, it couldn’t be more so.

It’s rubbish to assert that schools are pushing kids into becoming ‘transgender’. That is nonsense.

Oh do be quiet Feminist4. Weren't you banned? Never answer questions, nothing of the feminist about you, save your name.

So that’s why stonewall, allsorts and mermaids (as well as vomit and vile) are speaking at schools? That’s why the social media ‘personalities’ in this field suggest that kids contact them and don’t tell their parents? Why that school in Brighton has a sudden flurry of trans and ‘gender fluid’ kids?

We had Miss England speak at our school and half the girls wanted to be beauty queens ffs.

How on earth are teenagers supposed to study hours of biology and at the same time accept mammals can change sex

Theyre teenagers, not idiots!

Well, teenagers can like/believe in weird shit. I mean, can you explain Justin Bieber?