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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another pregnant "man" and the LGBs having none of it (see comments)

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SignMeUp · 27/11/2018 07:37

www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/11/13/im-pregnant-im-not-woman

OP posts:
PutYourShirtOnMartin · 28/11/2018 23:11

*Fucking hell who has that much time to spend gazing at their own navel?

To be fair, pregnancy does tend to make your navel do amazing things. Mine has never gone back in again how it used to be*

I remember not seeing mine for nearly nine months. Then it came back for twenty years and now at over 50 it's pissed of again... I don't miss it.

SomeDyke · 28/11/2018 23:33

Okay, what people are trying to do here is pretend gender is quantum. Those with umpteen genders all at the same time are trying to believe they are some sort of superposition of genders.......

So, kind of explains why they hate misgendering -- when you have placed yourself into a quantum superposition of male and female then some bugger playing wigners friend observes you and states what gender they think you are, hence collapsing your gender wavefunction.....................

nicenewdusters · 28/11/2018 23:47

That poor child. The most exciting thing it's mother can envisage for it's life is being sat down and told it's mother is not it's mother. The child probably won't turn a hair, as it'll have already been force fed a diet of non-gender specific toys, clothes, pronouns etc. Perhaps we should crowd fund for it's counselling sessions now ?

LassWiADelicateAir · 28/11/2018 23:53

FloralBunting
I've watched quite a bit of Ash Hardell on youtube, who comes across as a likeable young person, younger than they actually are. They are intelligent and attractive, and have an air of frankness that is very appealing

And their videos are crammed to the gunnels with endless jargon terms, a - z guides to every possible nuance of human emotion and personality packaged into a unique identity to choose from like a colourful pick and mix selection

I agree. And Ash Hardell has a video about why she isn't a boy. Ash , like everyone, creates their own personality from like a colourful pick and mix selection*

It's not an identity- it's just being a unique human being. It's the reason , for example, why Courtney Act and Anne Widdecombe can both care about animal rights or Jeremy Clarkson campaigned for Remain.

AngryAttackKittens · 28/11/2018 23:59

The thing with Ash is that pretending that Ash must not be a woman because of Ash's personality or sense of aesthetics narrows the range of acceptable options for women, while embracing Ash as a woman expands them (or maybe I should say maintains, since 10 years ago nobody would even have been questioning whether Ash was a woman or suggesting that people like Ash must be something other than women).

Personality is indeed unique, infinitely variable, etc. But it would be great if we stopped calling personality "identity" or "gender".

saratustra · 29/11/2018 00:02

Taking a few screenshots of this thread for when some Mumsnetters say there is no transphobia in this page. How fucking dreadful.

LassWiADelicateAir · 29/11/2018 00:03

I agree. To be fair to Ash, the video I saw was her responding to other people telling her she isn't a girl and her saying she definitely was.

It's nonsense.

LassWiADelicateAir · 29/11/2018 00:05

I was responding to AngryAttackKittens btw.

nicenewdusters · 29/11/2018 00:06

Which are the transphobic posts ? I think the person involved is a selfish, self involved idiot. Couldn't care less what they identify as.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/11/2018 00:12

Ash is more sensible than some of her followers, then. I wish we could just have a cultural space for women who aren't particularly feminine and men who aren't particularly masculine and have everyone be OK with that.

BlackForestCake · 29/11/2018 00:46

@saratustra is upset that the nonsense ideology she pretends to believe in is being mocked for the nonsense it is.

CAAKE · 29/11/2018 01:14

*"it’s hard for people to take my identity seriously"

No shit.

Grauniad · 29/11/2018 09:26

Sure, Saratustra. Transphobia is definitely the same as 'thinking a pregnant adult is female'.

Yep.

Have you considered that you are massively trivialising actual transphobia - the targetting and physical harm done to transpeople, generally by men -- if you call people transphobic for chuckling at a young lass who seems startled that heterosexual intercourse has got her pregnant?

Notevenmyrealname · 29/11/2018 13:03

it'll have already been force fed a diet of non-gender specific toys, clothes

Nicenewdusters, I try to give my children non-gender specific toys and clothes as well or at the very least (as it is so hard to do) a combination of both. I don’t believe in reinforcing limiting gender stereotypes and want my children to find their own interests. I will not however then label them as being “cis” or “trans” depending on their choices. That’s kind of the point of being gender critical I thought.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 29/11/2018 16:37

There are rather a lot of internal contradictions in that piece, aren't there?

Still, as long as they are happy (as in them, plural, parents and child).

I could wish they'd stop publishing their Unicorn Reality though. It makes so many people type such ludicrous things. Don't they know that their weird words will be there forever? In 30 years time Kalila Peace could be a grandma, probably with a perfectly ordinary name like Susan, and she will have to explain to her grandchildren why she thought that someone with an identity crisis was so brave and stunning... and why she thought it was fine to be so judgemental with people who believed in basic biology!

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