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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another pregnant "man" and the LGBs having none of it (see comments)

115 replies

SignMeUp · 27/11/2018 07:37

www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/11/13/im-pregnant-im-not-woman

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Dragon3 · 27/11/2018 09:55

I feel quite sad that the author has spent so much time agonising over themselves. The energy and time necessary to keep this up must be exhausting.

They have a healthy body and happy relationship. An unplanned pregnancy but ultimately wanted child. Life is too short for this level of naval gazing. How much healthier it would be to enjoy the good things and learn to be happy with themselves as they are. No need for pigeonholes.

JeremyCorbynsCoat · 27/11/2018 09:55

What a load of absolute shite 🙄

AspieAndProud · 27/11/2018 09:57

What the hell’s the difference between non-binary and agender anyway?

Bloomcounty · 27/11/2018 10:01

I wonder when the non binary lot will realise that, ultimately, nobody else gives a toss? If I employ someone, they're here to do the job, not ponce around pontificating on their deeply felt non binaryship. If they ponce around, I fire them. Simples.

PositivelyPERF · 27/11/2018 10:15

I actually think the non binary lot are the smartest of a group of navel gazing crowd. They can easily slip back into the background of their mundane lives and no one will notice. Those that go down the medical route will be completely fucked up, when they wise up.

StrangeLookingParasite · 27/11/2018 10:16

I am so weary of this narcissism.

Danaquestionseverything · 27/11/2018 10:29

Oh the irony. The comments are hilarious, people so concerned about political correctness, that they too don't see the irony of repeating the author's assertions their child is a girl. Therein is the problem with this whole ideology, advocates claim gender is assigned at birth, yet here the author themself? Is assigning the child's gender in utero. FFS.

As for the article itself. Me, me, me, I, I, I....a masterclass in narcissism.

I'm glad to see LGB people in the comments calling this out for the rubbish this is. I can only begin to imagine how offensive it is to them. How do people end up like that? Imho over a generation we've gone to far in praise for children, they're the best, they're soooo special. I'm not saying children shouldn't be encouraged and loved and reassured, but if you find yourself lying to your children about their talents and abilities, it might be time to step back to reality. How many times have we seen someone auditioning for one of the many reality talent shows, convinced they're going to be the next big thing, only to be publicly humiliated because their voice sounds like cats in a blender? Yeah it's funny to see but part of me always got a little angry. How could their loved ones let it get so far?

PegLegAntoine · 27/11/2018 10:38

Good lord. That would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

Assuming her daughter’s gender 😂 will she be dressed in pink and frills I wonder?

AngryAttackKittens · 27/11/2018 10:40

So wait, if she's sure it's OK to refer to the child to be as a daughter then does that mean that it's actually OK for doctors to "assign" gender and they're right at the time, but then they become wrong later if in 15 years the child says they're trans? Is the doctor then retroactively wrong? Is the Tardis involved somehow?

lovetherisingsun · 27/11/2018 10:46

I think, if she/he/they really believed what they were saying, the whole article wouldn't be so massively full of contradictions.

Notevenmyrealname · 27/11/2018 11:14

Long time lurker on this page but this story has pushed me finally to comment. What exactly is brave about what she’s doing? I’m pregnant and also reject most gender stereotypes. What should I be identifying myself as in order to get praised for my bravery? To be honest I thought the idea of having a third child in full knowledge of what I’m letting myself in for was brave in itself (others may say stupid, but I won’t accept their definitions to be forced on me). I just want to know so I can feel validated by complete strangers on the internet.

Zoflorabore · 27/11/2018 11:20

Well fuck me sideways- person A inserts penis into person B's vagina which results in a baby on the way and they're shocked!

I'm sick of all this.
I worry that my dc won't know what's bloody normal anymore when they grow up, if you don't have a label attached to you then you're not worthy of anything.

Attention seeking at its finest.

bigKiteFlying · 27/11/2018 12:14

"I'm not a woman, I never have been. I was born with a vagina.."

If the assumption is woman is conveyed by some womanly essence or soul rather than biology it makes twisted sense.

I don’t see why this person is special though – I don’t feel like a woman – and fit very few female stereotypes and have given birth three times - I'm surley three times as stunning and brave than this person.

Danaquestionseverything · 27/11/2018 12:28

Exactly. Three times the charm.

hellandhairnets · 27/11/2018 13:28

Oh ffs.

It's all the brave and stunning comments that get me. How much more self-absorbed can this be, is this really what young people are taught these days? Are they so badly educated that they actually believe this? What a load of pretentious wankery. How this woman thinks she "identifies" is neither here nor there.

The story is:
Heterosexual Married Woman Gets Pregnant.

Big fucking deal. Get over it.

WomaninBoots · 27/11/2018 14:02

Has PIV sex. Thinks "being masculine/non-binary/bullshit-merchant" would have prevented pregnancy? (That seems to be what is being said given the level of shock at pregnancy expressed). Is "brave" according to some comments?

Eh?

Blimey.

WomaninBoots · 27/11/2018 14:06

Mind you, given the inability to connect actions with consequences and have rational thought, they probably ARE quite brave to leave the house every day.

MandalaYogaTapestry · 27/11/2018 14:15

You see femme, femme, femme because you are female, female, female.

Shock Surprise Shock

Hidingtonothing · 27/11/2018 14:19

Danaquestionseverything, I see the comparison with talent shows too, that whole 'but I want this soooo much' attitude like there's an entitlement just because it's something they want. I'm all for encouraging kids but teaching them they can have anything just because they want it is just not realistic. But then reality seems to be becoming an outdated notion these days, it's all about feelings and beliefs and ignoring actual facts (like biology), it's madness Confused

drspouse · 27/11/2018 14:19

Wasn't there a study showing that gay, lesbian and transgender teens were getting pregnant at a much greater rate than straight, "non-trans" teens?
Presumably for the same reasons - "I'm not cis hetero so I can't get pregnant".

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 27/11/2018 14:47

I read that but all I heard in my head was "mememememememe meeeeeeeeee" good luck hanging onto your navel gazing once you're responsible day and night for a living, breathing, puking, nappy filling baby. Seriously, these people are just bored, surely?. It'd be nice if they put as much energy into helping others as they do into navel gazing. I hope for the baby's sake that the narcissism dials down a bit once they're born.

AngryAttackKittens · 27/11/2018 14:52

I remain confused as to how this person thought that a feeling in their head that they've decided to call "gender" would prevent them from getting pregnant. Dear idealistic young people, please consider condoms instead of wishful thinking as your method of contraception.

emwithme · 27/11/2018 14:58

This does my tits in.

Penis in vagina sex makes baby non-shocker.

However I was surprised at just how "female" my body has felt over the past few months of my pregnancy (I'm midway through being induced!) and I haven't spent my entire life trying to con myself that I'm not a woman (I've just got on with living, wearing trousers and flat shoes!) so I can see how this has hit her like a ton of bricks.

For me it became stronger knowing I was having a girl. I felt the link to previous generations much more (even though I was raised in a very matriarchal family where Gran was In Charge) knowing that via mum I had been inside my grandma, and that my potential grandbabies are inside me now.

But mainly she should stop navel gazing and grow up.

Mamaryllis · 27/11/2018 15:03

I don't think for one minute they don't know they will get pregnant. It's just an extension of narcissism 'oh I'll claim to be a pregnant man, the will earn me woke cookies' and the whole charade enables them to do something perfectly ordinary and get praised for it. Utter narcissism. I don't buy the faux shock - that's just for effect. They might be entirely self-centred, but they aren't stupid. They know full well that what they re doing is heterosexual sex and will result in pregnancy. They are just deliberately spinning it because the idea of being yet another nobody mother makes them want to eat their own face.

lunamoth581 · 27/11/2018 15:48

If I were LGB, I’d be absolutely pissed that a news outlet meant to cover LGB interests was giving column space to an opposite sex attracted female human being who was impregnated be their husband.

Y’know, married straight people having a baby. What exactly does any of that have to do with LGB issues? People aren’t going to be freaked out by a married straight couple having a baby.

And “agender, non-binary and trans masculine?” That’s both redundant and contradictory. Certainly “agender” and “non-binary” are the same basic idea, right? And how can one simultaneously have no gender but also be “trans masculine?” That just smacks of special snowflakery.