Women's Hour features interviews with Professor Alex Sharpe and Professor Rosa Freedman as part of 'Sex & Gender' series **Thread title edited at OP's request**

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The topic is "The law on sex and gender".

rightreckoner
Who goes on Woman's Hour and compares women speaking about women's concerns to the bubonic plague ffs?

Indeed. Alex used a lot of poisonous language today. Alex seems very bitter towards gc women. Soon Alex will claim that gc feminists assassinated Abe Lincoln, invented the H bomb, invaded Iraq and caused the 2008 financial crash.
Curiously enough, Alex was behaving like a man who hates women.

And some of these TRA academics really need to be given a red card and get off the teaching pitch. What an oppressive learning environment it must be for students who want to question the ideology, the very opposite of what you'd expect from higher education.

Always worthwhile looking at the way the language shifts - tells you loads about the direction of travel in terms of tactics.

Alex said towards the end that using 'cis' avoided having a "hierarchy" of women. Who knows whether this was in reference to cis gender or cis sexual.

Having never heard Alex Sharpe speak before, I was struck by the deep contempt and nastiness Alex displays towards women who don't agree with Alex.

Guilt tripping women to be compliant is vile. Divide and rule is the only way these activists can think of to try to conquer women.

Rosa on the other hand was calm, clear, reasonable and compassionate.

The differences are there for us all to clearly see (hear.)

arranbubonicplague
It's a goodun
It'd be the cross on the door, 'bring out your dead' kind of disease I'm sure.

They are now really appropriating the name 'transsexual' from transsexuals. After having called it an outdated term and shouted over and denigrated transsexuals for years. Because they've realized that the good old transsexuals are the only ones with an intact reputation after this crazy mess the TRAs created. Unfathomable.

I have to say I quite like these radio shows. No one can see them and they sound like well.....

Utter nonsense. Refused to define terms properly so all the big words and carefully prepared phrasing in order to sound intelligent just served to make it sound ridiculous frankly. And there was zero evidence to back up anything they said so the best defence they could muster was mass hysteria .

They honestly could not answer a single question. And I'm sure a good few people would be offended at sone how being redefined without their knowledge so that the very definition of what they are could expand to include those who have or used to have a penis.

The second anything was asked if them it fell to pieces.

I think anyone listening would have been very confused.....why are women suddenly referred to as cis women? What is that chap on about?

Just woman is fine thank you-no need for the 'cis'

Soon Alex will claim that gc feminists assassinated Abe Lincoln, invented the H bomb, invaded Iraq and caused the 2008 financial crash

I personally caused Alex's crops to fail, cows to cease giving milk, and well to run dry.

You can tell because when you duck me, I don't drown.

Soon Alex will claim that gc feminists assassinated Abe Lincoln, invented the H bomb, invaded Iraq and caused the 2008 financial crash.

You know, what always seems to get overlooked in historical analyses is that Hitler actually had a mother.

Alex tweets:

'In relation to cis, I reiterate: cissexual = harmony btw assigned gender & actual GI while cisgender = comfort with normative gender expectations.'

What is GI? Sex? Genitals? Gender Identity? This makes no sense at all.

Having never heard Alex Sharpe speak before, I was struck by the deep contempt and nastiness Alex displays towards women who don't agree with Alex.

Its interesting isn't it?
A lot is revealed on radio, I think because the focus is solely on the voice.
More still when the actual words are transcribed and can also be read and considered.

Soon Alex will claim that gc feminists assassinated Abe Lincoln, invented the H bomb, invaded Iraq and caused the 2008 financial crash.

I totally know it was sex-changing reptiles but only ever in their female phase.

A lot is revealed on radio, I think because the focus is solely on the voice

If I was a TRA Id be no radio as well as no debate. All you can hear is a male voice mansplaining. The individual is briefly mentioned as a TW , but if you missed the start it becomes even more confusing.

Ray Blanchard on Twitter (July 2017): 'I define "cissexual" as contented with anatomic sex, willingly identifies as anatomic sex.'

So it just means 'not gender dysphoric', apparently.

You can tell because when you duck me, I don't drown.

yes, but how much do you weigh, Lang?

Then we'll know for sure if you are a witch....

yes, but how much do you weigh, Lang?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to...

... blight your crops too!

So lots of transgender people are also cissexual?

I have just finished listening - I am furious.
Could AS have spat the word gencrit with any more venom? How fucking dare AS assign a derogatory label to me like I'm the one being irrational.
How fucking dare AS refuse to engage? How fucking dare AS dismiss women's legitimate concerns? How fucking dare AS refuse to explain what cis means to TRAs.
I'm so sick of entitled men. Sick of them. To the point where I am beginning to wonder where my tolerance levels begin and end.
No to woman-face, just no.
No is not the beginning of negotiation with these people. No means no debate and no men in women's spaces.

TRAs seem to have listened to enough of what we're saying to realise that many (most?) women don't 'identify' with female gender stereotypes, which would make most of us 'trans' rather than 'cisgender' - or at the very least, non binary.

So then they use the term 'cissexual', which relates to the body rather than gender stereotypes.

Ray Blanchard on Twitter (July 2017): 'I define "cissexual" as contented with anatomic sex, willingly identifies as anatomic sex.'

But that means that transwomen who love their ladydicks are transgender, but also cissexual. Doesn't it?

Cross post with Countess.

On the radio, Alex came across as male, both in terms of voice and delivery. Comparing women's concerns to bubonic plague? Pontificating on what 'real' feminism is? No debate, no workable definitions of terms. Deeply unconvincing.

It astounds me that women are expected to just accept what Alex said without asking questions.

My little cis sister’s got a motorbike, as Crazy Cavan might say soon.

So lots of transgender people are also cissexual?

That's what I'd conclude from that definition. (Though TRAs may well move the goalposts faster than light whenever the need arises to make it mean whatever suits their agenda at that particular moment in time).

Maybe I am overly optimistic here, but considering that Lisa Muggeridge firmly believes the TRAs have lost, this 'cissexual' fallback position might signify the third stage of grief - bargaining.

(It needs to be said that grieving people will hop from one stage to the next, so I'm not saying that the anger stage is behind us).

psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/

placemarking

Listened to it on catch up. AS came across so very very badly. Obfuscating, sneery and patronising to Jane Garvey. She did well not to explode.

Rosa F came across well, but was sadly interrupted during a good point about sport.

The impact of their delivery (tone, clarity and voices) was pretty significant too. No wonder TRAs go for 'no debate' their arguments couldn't withstand the mildest of push backs.