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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Twitter bans misgendering and deadnaming

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TheChampagneGalop · 24/11/2018 16:51

www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/11/social-media-divided-on-twitter-s-ban-of-misgendering-and-deadnaming.html

What a great way to protect sex offenders who want to hide their past, and to get rid of feminists.

Right after Wordpress suddenly added that to their rules as well:
4thwavenow.com/2018/11/17/wordpress-dumps-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

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R0wantrees · 25/11/2018 21:12

What the fuck is going on ?

Is this some sort of AI algorithm madness?

arranfan · 25/11/2018 21:20

Pilgrim Tucker captures it:

The fact that Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg are now essentially in charge of 'freedom of speech', worldwide, is chilling

twitter.com/PilgrimTucker/status/1066373146910121986

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2018 21:25

Corinna Cohn @corrinna_cohn
Twitter revised its terms of service to ban “deadnaming”. I am trans and this is a thread on what “deadnaming” is.

On its face, “deadnaming” is merely mentioning the christened name of a person as given by their parents if that person has subsequently changed their name as part of declaring a different gender identity.

It’s considered rude to approach a trans person who would prefer to be known as Caitlyn and say to them, “Hey, Bruce!” Recently (last five years) this was coined as “deadnaming”.

With Twitter choosing to punish or ban the mention of a chistened name, “deadnaming” has now emerged as a highly privileged, extremely broad privacy right which removes others’ rights to speak about the past.

From the first time I heard the malapropism “deadnaming”, I’ve criticized it for promoting the idea that changing one’s name or pronouns is a form of death. It is’t. Changing your name introduces a new chapter; it doesn’t destroy the book.

There is not a unified position in the trans community on “deadnaming”. For Twitter to add it to its prohibited speech restrictions, it means that Twitter has taken a specific, ideological stance and is choosing to ban a wide swath of speech.

A ban on “deadnaming” is categorically identical to a ban on heresy. If Twitter bans “deadnaming”, there is no distance from here to banning sacriligious speech. “Deadnaming” is a term from the most modern of theological movements.

in practice, Twitter’s “deadnaming” policy will be a boon to anyone who wants to hide their past, particularly sex offenders and other violent offenders. This policy strips a victim’s ability to name their abuser.

(As a side note, a former senior engineer at Twitter is now protected by this policy)

Twitter has been cracking down on all types of challenging speech. Challenging speech is by its nature offensive because it attacks ideas or beliefs that one party sincerely holds and which another party passionately disagrees.

Twitter is not a platform for discussing ideas. This new change to the terms and conditions proves that beyond a doubt. #FreeMeghan

The interaction and replies to this thread are well worth reading too.

Just as Facebook's achilles heel is proving to be fake news and various data leaks and user profiling scandals, which has resulted in the loss of millions of users, I'll put money on this ending up being twitters.

Right now they are taking the gamble on which users are most valuable to them. In this case, gender critical woman are the greatest losers but its not just gcw who lose. It affects the credibility of twitter and will have a ripple effect. (Ironically MN has made something of a similar financial calculation the same but the outcome is rather different because of the nature of the user base. It's quite a striking contrast)

Twitters decision here, and it's opaque and highly dubious reporting system and decision making process over what it censors and what it doesn't, will become the story itself.

No one may give a shit about GCW. They will give a shit, as this will not be where it ends. Free speech itself is something Americans are fiercely defensive of. Whilst twitter is clearly trying to project a Liberal identity, it's illiberalism will bother many.

We shall see how this pans out, but the story isn't about deadnaming nor Meghan. It's much much bigger than that.

RJFirth · 25/11/2018 21:33

FermatsTheorem Violence is never the answer.

Mumfun · 25/11/2018 21:33
  1. If a Transwoman is already a woman why do many Trans want surgery on their body to create breast equivalents etc?

  2. The TW will always have to be treated as male for a lot of sex specific medical treatments. And be dosed at the male level for medicines for them to work. They can never be treated as a woman. There has been a case in the States of a TW dying after insisting on being treated as a woman.

  3. Many trans sexuals are very open and upfront about the male aspects of behaviour and behaviour that transwomen retain. Many of them recognise that they identify as a woman but are still underlyingly male sex.

I just cant understand with these strong evidences that anyone can say a TW is a woman. To me a TW is a TW.

R0wantrees · 25/11/2018 21:41

threadreader link from Red's post above:

'Thread by @corinna_cohn: "Twitter revised its terms of service to ban “deadnaming”. I am trans and this is a thread on what “deadnaming” is'

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1066335636708384768.html

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2018 21:47

BTW I do feel like this is the rest of the world waking up to my reality of the last ten years, where my childhood has been erased and rewritten by my family.

I am not allowed to speak of nor name my brother who I grew up with.

This is a huge part of why I no longer speak to my parents. My mum has been in touch this week begging for contact with my son. I've just ignored it, as I can't deal with the emotional blackmail and my life experience being thought of as invalid.

Christ knows what it's like for anyone who is the victim of a crime in this context.

Banning of 'deadnaming' causes harm. Its not society's responsibility to erase the past, even if the past is difficult. Indeed it's society's responsibility to protect the integrity of the past and its for society to come to terms with it, even if its difficult.

In this sense, its not even simply about free speech, but a deliberate and concerted distortion of reality for ideological and political gain, at the expense of certain groups.

VerbeenaBeeks · 25/11/2018 21:48

Twitter and FB aren't "in charge of free speech worldwide" Hmm
How is it wrong for them not to want to be a platform for any hate speech towards certain members of society?
People being racist would use that argument too. As in "pffft, what happened to being racist, I can say that if I like! What happened to free speech!"

FermatsTheorem · 25/11/2018 21:55

"Deadnaming" and "incorrect pronouns" are not violence though.

Rape, domestic abuse, murder, female genital mutilation, infanticide - all these are acts of violence.

Words can be used to incite acts of violence.

But you insult the victims of these genuine acts of violence when you try to pretend that "deadnaming" and "incorrect pronouns" are acts of violence.

(I still wouldn't want to censor someone for claiming that "deadnaming" etc were acts of violence - but I would want to refute their ludicrous claim by exposing it as the ridiculous and offensive nonsense it is, by holding it up side by side with genuine acts of violence so that onlookers can make their own judgement.)

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2018 22:00

How is it wrong for them not to want to be a platform for any hate speech towards certain members of society?

Is it hate speech to state the past and events that have happened and are often documented by courts?

Is it hate speech to state that in UK law rape can only be committed by a penis, when it's written into the law and on government documentstion?

I'm afraid we are often not talking about 'hate speech' in any way shape or form. We are talking about things that certain people don't like to hear and have launched extention vexatious, targeted and harassing campaigns to report to twitter to silence people stating things which are a matter of public interest and record.

The problem is the opaqness and poor standards of twitters moderaters.

There is no process in which there is an assessment, which is to the standards of the law in the country a tweet is made nor read, which assesses whether a tweet or a user actually meets the legal definition of 'hate speech'.

No one is applying the cavet that exists in the UK of it being in the public interest to know or state something either.

This is deeply problematic.

Saying its the same as a racist using the pure argument of free speech isn't a complete nor comparible argument.

VickyEadie · 25/11/2018 22:03

The word 'hate' wants its definition back. It says 'woman' just wants to keep hers.

RedToothBrush · 25/11/2018 22:27

'Hate speech' as a concept is fraught with issues when you are talking about something with transcends national borders.

Who decides that one definition of hate speech Trump's another definition? We are not even talking about personal definitions here, but legal ones set by nation states.

Is it legally harassment to merely continuely report individuals on twitter who are not breaking any law in this country in order to silence or to intimidate them? Indeed the reporting and suspension of a woman stating the actual law in the UK is mind boogling. How is that hate speech and why are we not talking about harassment?

Is it simply because hate speech is a magic blanket of security for trans activists and a privilege that women do not share?

Harassment on the other hand us something that women experience online in disproportionate levels of abuse.

Could it be that when we start talking about 'protecting' one group against the evils that social media brings with it, that there is a sex bias in how we do that and what we value as a 'legitimate' reason to complain?

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