Twitter bans misgendering and deadnaming

[TheChampagneGalop]

www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/11/social-media-divided-on-twitter-s-ban-of-misgendering-and-deadnaming.html

What a great way to protect sex offenders who want to hide their past, and to get rid of feminists.

Right after Wordpress suddenly added that to their rules as well:
4thwavenow.com/2018/11/17/wordpress-dumps-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

Hmmm. A while back I'd probably have posted that it was ridiculous, how is using the wrong pronoun a hate crime etc?
You only need to read these threads enough to realise that it can actually be more than that though.
Constant use of they or repeatedly saying their name over and over to avoid saying she - can understand why it would come across as harassing or intolerance towards who they are.

Maybe we should all follow the example of your dear queen. But take it further. Everyone could adopt the pronoun 'one'. In all declinations.
One feels one agrees with one's opinions.

Hmmm. A while back I'd probably have posted that it was ridiculous, how is using the wrong pronoun a hate crime etc?
You only need to read these threads enough to realise that it can actually be more than that though
Constant use of they or repeatedly saying their name over and over to avoid saying she - can understand why it would come across as harassing or intolerance towards who they are.

Verbeena That next stage of enforcement you seem to be hoping for might be tricky.

Interesting that you have identified harrassment and intolerance.

And people wonder why Malta is so in the vanguard for trans rights. I expect Cyprus will be next. Or Grand Cayman. Maybe Luxembourg. Erasure of one’s past name and history is so very useful when it comes to money-laundering.

Yes.

Constant use of they or repeatedly saying their name over and over to avoid saying she - can understand why it would come across as harassing or intolerance towards who they are

You think calling Ian Huntley, the rapist and murderer of young girls, a man - is harassment and intolerance?

How so exactly?

I predict Verbeena will magnanimously make an exception for rapists and murderers. Because she used to be gender critical and opposes self ID, you know.

I am fairly sure Glinner is going to be banned again. He has some balls. I am just wondering what we can do to show support. Otherwise people like Glinner and Megan are on their own so to speak. I am pretty ignorant of Twitter.

And of the correct spelling of Meghan.

Observer article today by Kenan Malik:
'Debate ends when we label views we simply disagree with as ‘hatred’
To kill off discussions on difficult subjects will only give rise to loathing and bigotry

(extract)
"Woman’s Place is a feminist group dedicated to defending the idea of women-only spaces. Its meetings have been disrupted by protesters and banned by local councils as “providing a platform for hate speech”. When another feminist group, Liverpool ReSisters, put up stickers proclaiming “Women don’t have penises” on Anthony Gormley statues on Crosby beach, they were investigated by the police for possible hate crimes and condemned by the city’s mayor, Joe Anderson, for their “hateful” actions.

The Canadian feminist Meghan Murphy recently tweeted “men aren’t women” and asked: “What is the difference between a man and a trans woman?” Twitter shut down her account for “violating our rules against hateful conduct” and forced her to delete her tweets.

The issue is not whether Stock or Murphy or the ReSisters are right in their views. I agree with some of their arguments, disagree with others. The issue, rather, is whether it is valid for them to raise the issues they do or whether the very act of doing so constitutes “hatred”.

If it is “hate speech” to question a particular definition of what it is to be a woman, or “bigoted” to express concern about non-natal women being allowed into female-only spaces, the very notion of public debate is transformed. There would seem to be little one could say on most difficult issues that could not also be construed as hatred.

To suggest that the kinds of questions posed by Stock or Murphy should not be asked is to suggest, contra Joubert, that it is better to settle questions than debate them. The trouble is, questions are rarely settled without debate. Stock and Murphy raise certain issues not because they are bigots but because of the realities facing women in society. Whatever one thinks of their arguments, these realities will not disappear simply by labelling critical feminists “hatemongers”. (cont)

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/25/debate-ends-when-we-label-views-we-disagree-with-us-hatred

Good points. The TRAs won't like them.

I predict Verbeena will magnanimously make an exception for rapists and murderers. Because she used to be gender critical and opposes self ID, you know.

Perhaps V can see inside people's souls? It's a neat trick.

I have been following this with great interest and wonder why we can't use "xx name", that is, inverted commas, when forced to say a name which someone insists is used. It would then be seen as complying in order to have a voice there, but is also sticking up two fingers at being told what to call someone who is hiding their past. I'm not on Twitter but could not bring myself to use the names that deluded people tell me to use .... or would they then ban inverted commas?

Yes, yes, I can see inside people's souls. That's it.

@VerbeenaBeeks

Do you think it's acceptable for people to call "Tommy Robinson" "Stephen Yacley-Lennon"? Is yes, why?

Perhaps V can see inside people's souls? It's a neat trick.

It is! I wonder if you can teach yourself, like lucid dreaming?

repeatedly saying their name over and over to avoid saying she - can understand why it would come across as harassing or intolerance

Sorry - you believe it's harrassment and intolerant to use someone's current name?

This really is another level of required compliance.

ookay

Sorry anlaf, cross posted with you

You wonder why Lalya Moran is pissing about being a politician. She could solve world peace overnight and earn a fortune. We could write a business plan for her, get a share of the profit.

Anlaf - no, sorry think you've misunderstood me. I meant the repeated use of someone's name in one sentence as they refuse to acknowledge anyone as a transwoman so won't use she.
It's rampant on some of these threads.

This is important, the specifics in this case matter a great deal.

Graham Linehan tweet:

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1066662588510072832

Verbeena thinks the trans lobby should have the right to force women to lie.

Anlaf - no, sorry think you've misunderstood me. I meant the repeated use of someone's name in one sentence as they refuse to acknowledge anyone as a transwoman so won't use she.
It's rampant on some of these threads.

That's because we (those of us who might do it) refuse to be told we must accept that someone is a woman who we do not believe is.

I cannot and will not accept the fiction that a person can change sex and nobody is going to force me.

I meant the repeated use of someone's name in one sentence as they refuse to acknowledge anyone as a transwoman so won't use she.
It's rampant on some of these threads.

This seems a thing today.
Weetabix was starting to highlight this as a possible next stage of complaint on another thread.
Verbeena as I said to Weetabix, that one is going to be tricky to control.

Good to know what's next though.