369 transpeople murdered? Channel 4 checked.

[WTFIsAGleepglorp]

An actual proper analysis of ONS statistics

Whodathunk?

Sorry.

Meant to put 369 not 36.

The number of murdered trans people bandied about by trans activists.

They don't like facts.
They'll be after channel 4 for wrong think.... again.....

Facts are a social construct.

I refuse to accept that feelings and perception of reality overrides actual facts.

Channel 4 has done more research than the Metro.

Very impressed with C4 for this.
Thank you C4 for doing what the media are supposed to

An interesting side note coming from this: if the insistence is that TWAW (and TWAM) how can the experience of transpeople actually be recorded and measured? This does a disservice to EVERYONE.

That won't go down well in certain quarters.

From that report:

The limited data we’re working with suggests that in the UK at least, the “trans murder rate” is lower than the UK average.

So very unlikely to be murdered by a transphobe, then; still less by a ‘terf’.

But – again based on unofficial figures – it appears that trans people are more likely to experience other violent crimes, for example domestic abuse.

So more likely to be assaulted by a partner, ie, someone who nominally accepts that they are women.

When we look at domestic violence committed by men we don’t normally ignore the fact it is committed by men. We don’t simply report it as crimes committed on women, we look at the perpetrator.

If transwomen are more at risk from their partners we have to acknowledge that there’s a higher incidence of violence committed by men who accept that transwomen are women.

Channel 4 has done more research than the Metro.

And the BBC.

TLDR; transwomen are more at risk from men who accept they are women than men who do not.

C4 late, and wrong.

The names are available on the TransRespect website. If they bothered to cross-reference them.

And already fact-checked in much more detail here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3080711-UK-transgender-murder-rate

To that thread I would add the names 'Naomi Damian Hersi', murdered by Jesse McDonald in March 2018.

The 2016 murder seems to have been added retrospectively, as it did not appear in the contemporary report, so we are essentially speculating as no name for the UK appears on the transrespect site. William Lound is the likely candidate here, however William was not trans! William was a gay man who sometimes wore women's clothing. His case has been discussed here before after some very silly person tried to imply William was actually a woman at birth. No! William was a gay man who sometimes wore women's clothing for sex and this apparently enraged the mentally ill person who murdered him.

So Channel 4 should make some effort to verify the identity of these supposed murders of transpeople, as in fact two were not murdered, and one was not even trans.

Piss poor work Channel 4, piss poor.

If transwomen are more at risk from their partners we have to acknowledge that there’s a higher incidence of violence committed by men who accept that transwomen are women.

Interesting.

Sheila Jeffreys states in this video m.youtube.com/watch?v=8FQtyGU766I that TW are into SM, are the men that accept TWAW also into SM, is this why there is more violence in these male relationships?

I note btw that they now have individual religions in the hate crime figures. This shows that Jews are more likely to to be targets of hate crimes for their identity than transgender people are for theirs, and indeed the most likely religion overall to be targeted. Perhaps Messrs. Corbyn, Madigan, et al should make the focus of their campaign against phobias on protecting Jews?

(AIR the recent Scottish anti-hate-crime campaign centred a transwoman over and above all other forms of possible target.)

twitter.com/FactCheck/status/1065977566404710401

A combination of "nothing to see here" and tumbleweed. Facts and TRAs are like garlic and vampires*.

• and no, this isn't a comment saying that TRAs are just the same as the blood-sucking undead

Crikey. C4 seem to be doing some serious thinking - even if it's thinking that's been done previously elsewhere. This is more critical thinking than I've seen anywhere in the BBC.

Sue "I feel like a teenage girl" Pascoe must be furious.

Interesting

The ‘woke’ like to push the idea that they are loving and understanding and everyone else is a hateful bigot but the stats don’t seem to bear that out.

I've only just started to notice the amount of 'stick' and hostility coming from TRAs towards Channel 4.

In the week before the 'Trans Kids: We Need to Talk' documentary was aired, the TRAS were already besmirching Channel 4's past record on trans issues. They mentioned Genderquake (the reality show featuring transgender people in a house share) and Cathy Newman's handling of debate on What Makes a Woman? (in which a green party member pointed out that the brave and stunning Munroe Bergdorf had a penis and called them a 'he').

From a pro-women's rights perspective, Channel 4 did not cover itself in glory during that week and was exceedingly timid in probing the narrative beneath the mantras like TWAW. From the TRAs point of view, the Trans week had been a disaster and made them less inclined to 'justify their existence' in future TV specials.

It's good to see Channel 4 stepping up a gear and actually looking beneath the myths and distortions.

Thank you C4 for doing what the media are supposed to

Gonna have to point out to you that Channel 4 is a constituent of the media...

VotingFox that made sense if you put the stress on 'supposed' rather than 'media'.

It's good to see Channel 4 stepping up a gear and actually looking beneath the myths and distortions.

I agree. And it's about time a mainstream media outlet bit the bullet and did just this. Ch4 has just gone up a bit of a notch in my estimation (I still don't trust them after the totally skewed Genderquake "debate" but, hey....they could still prove themselves)

Ah ok :)

Not aware of this. What programme is it? Tia

The statistics on hate crime prevelence do need some further nuanced and respectful consideration.

Some surveys (eg Stonewall etc) record how many people who are transgender report that they have experienced a Hate Crime. However there needs to be some recognition of what the scope of that might be.
Examples of alleged 'hate crime' reported by some within the transgender community:
-billboards that say only 'woman = adult human female' reported as hate crime.
-Meghan Murphy twitter mass reporting and reporting and sanction for 'hateful conduct' for posting, “Women aren’t men,” and another, asking, “How are transwomen not men? What is the difference between a man and a transwoman?”
www.feministcurrent.com/2018/11/20/twitter-wants-shut-right-wants-join-dont-think-either/

-On BBC Victoria Derbyshire show, CEO of Mermiads Charity,
"17 times in the past six months its founder, Suzie Green, has reported abusive online messages to the police. Eight cases in the past year have been investigated as suspected hate crimes."

so whilst Susie Green believed 17 required reporting to the police, 9 of these were not investigated as 'suspected' hate crimes. Of the remaining 8, how many actualy are 'hate crimes'? Its also likely that Susie Green believes there have been considerably more instances of 'hate crime' that she has not decided to report to the police.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-44661079

Also in this episode about Mermaids, a workshop for parents run by a transgender police officer:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294478-Victoria-Derbyshire-show-today-transgender-children-buying-time-by-delaying-puberty

Mermaids information: www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/hate-crime.html

Stonewall's guide (in screenshot) explains that 'hate crime' is when a crime is committed and this is due to hatred for a person's race,
sexual orientation, religion, gender identity or
disability.
cf Mermaids definition which is less clear

In the articles following Karen White's conviction for sexually assaulting female prisoners it emerged that White (a serial rapist and violent abuser of children and women) had reported an elderly neighbour to the police for the alleged 'hate crime' of 'misgendering'
Guardian:
[Jenny-Anne Bishop, from the transgender rights group Transforum said,] “She seemed like somebody who was very much going to plough her own furrow regardless of the community advice, and she was going to demand her rights. She insisted people referred to her in her acquired gender without trying terribly hard to present as a woman.

“She would report people for a hate crime if they stumbled over which name to use for her – it was not a way to get yourself absorbed into the community. She was a person who would not compromise.”
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

@WTFIsAGleepglorp (apologies for the @)

Thanks for sharing this.
Its good that Channel 4 are doing some research and the fact check (acknowleging its limitations) is important when so much misinformation is out there.

Would you consider asking MN to edit the title of your thread so that it can be more easily found please? The title and source of the article would be really useful
They've been happy to do this in the past- you can report your OP and request it there
Things are moving very quickly on the board with many important articles etc coming out and it might make it easier for more people to become aware of it.