369 transpeople murdered? Channel 4 checked.

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An actual proper analysis of ONS statistics

Whodathunk?

Its also likely that Susie Green believes there have been considerably more instances of 'hate crime' that she has not decided to report to the police.

Just like there are probably many unreported negative incidents in countries with self-ID. These are probably more minor incidents but it is well known that many sexual assaults against women go unreported, which is conveniently forgotten by proponents of self-ID when telling us how there are no problems in other countries . (By the way, that's not true.)

Rose of Dawn also did a fact check and in depth discussion and analysis:

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=124&v=sDfBu3wZXu0

Report from the BBC.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-46292919

87,000 women killed last year according to the United Nations Office for Drugs & Crime, over half by intimate partners or close relatives.

Women had the most to fear at home, where the vast majority of their murders took place.

The BBC article links to the UNODC report about gender related violence.

An overwhelming 8 out of 10 murder victims worldwide are men for a variety of reasons, but women tend to be murdered for being women.

It's 369 globally. That's a tiny number, especially if trans people really are 1% of the population as TRAs claim. Someone was naming them one by one on Twitter. I noticed the majority came from Latin America. Well, Latin America is infamous for violence against women in general. When's the Day of Remembrance for them?

85,000 children have starved to death in Yemen since Saudi Arabia started bombing three years ago. When's their Day of Remembrance?

That's a tiny number, especially if trans people really are 1% of the population as TRAs claim.

I’ve never understood why they exaggerate their numbers when it just makes the murder and suicide rate look even smaller.

How they think they can get away with abusing these statistics, when anyone can hit Google and there are people keeping score is beyond me.

As NotTerfNorCis said, there are over 85,000 children dead from starvation in Yemen alone and everyone seems to want to forget about them.

And 100 million 'missing' women worldwide. As a result of sex selective abortion, killing girl children, and general neglect and abuse of women.

Which means we need roughly 270,000 days of remembrance. A year, you understand.

And the Yemeni children need 230.

Basic fact checking.

The estimate of the trans population used by all the media is 0.6% of population, which would mean roughly 46 million trans people worldwide (seems high, but okay).

369 deaths worldwide would mean a murder rate of 0.80 (per 100,000 people).

Do the same calculation with women (49.6% of the world population) and you get a murder rate of 2.29.

The current figure for the world murder rate is 6.2.

Facts are a spectrum y'know.

V interesting

Im only half remembering but I think Im in a group where someone was gping to an annual rememberence of the trans dead? Presumably though thats suicide as well as murder. I wonder if thats using the wrong statistics

Yep found it.

TDOR if you google it. Trans Day Of Rememberence for those lost to anti trans violence....

Did you all read a different article to me? I have no idea why some are crowing so much, it seems completely at odds with what I've just read.

Even if you only read the last line, the overwhelming thrust of the article was more than clear:

"Anyone that tells you this is clear-cut – on either side of this often vexed debate – is wrong."

How is this fact check, summarised by this comment, a springboard for posters to claim their version as the absolute truth? That seems completely the opposite of what it's saying!

We're not 'crowing', RatRolyPoly.

But we are pointing out that TRAs are bandying worldwide statistics without quoting sources and letting people believe that the 369 people they keep talking about were murdered in the UK alone.

Any murder is one too many, but for TRAs to say they're being persecuted to the degree they make out, is misleading and wrong.

They're not at greater risk of violence and they're not at greater risk of death.

If anything, it's the opposite. They're at less risk than the general population.

The Office for National Statistics say they are working on creating a standard process for recording violence against trans people. Well how will they do that?

If transwomen are women then there can be no chance of collating their data as transwomen!

If trans people wish to have protections that meet their needs then they have to stand up and be counted, as trans individuals!

That seems completely the opposite of what it's saying! Just as your post is saying the precise opposite of what poster here have posted!

RatRolyPoly 85,000 children have died in Yemen.

2 women a week are killed by their partners in the UK.

But who were councils, universities, businesses and other organisations making a big deal out of remembering last week?

A single trans person, murdered in the UK in the last year. And not in a hate crime or because they were trans as far as we know.

Can't you see the problem with this? That elevating the suffering of trans people in this way is politically motivated, insincere and pretty distasteful.

But we are pointing out that TRAs are bandying worldwide statistics without quoting sources and letting people believe that the 369 people they keep talking about were murdered in the UK alone.

Do they? Well I must admit I've never seen that. Every time I've seen that "369" it's been clear it's a global figure. There was one trans person murdered in the UK last year and the case was truly horrific

There are so many threads about that! Any LM threads as LM says it, tweets it, ion a very regular basis, on Stonewall posts, as they use it too and many more!

For someone as active you you are on the FWR boards it would be nigh on impossible to miss previous discussions about the misuse of numbers and statistics by many pro TRA posters and organisations!

The murder last year was tragic. Did it happen because the victim was transgender?

And not in a hate crime or because they were trans as far as we know.

Have you read the story? It was definitely because they were trans.

But I won't dwell on that; I don't really understand your ire at the trans day of remembrance. It takes nothing away from women, or from children in the Yemen, for those who wish to to mark the losses in their community.

For someone as active you you are on the FWR boards

I haven't been here for months and months! I only swung by because someone posted on AIBU about their Active thread being full of "trans", and I wanted to see what was making it such a hot topic over here as I have these boards blocked from my Active list.

There was one trans person murdered in the UK last year and the case was truly horrific

RatRolyPoly please go and look at the twitter feed for Counting Dead Women, which currently has pictures of the women killed by men in the UK in the last year.

twitter.com/CountDeadWomen

Please take a couple of minutes to actually do this.

Yes, Naomi Hersi's death was horrific, but so were the deaths of so many women killed last year.

They are less safe on the streets and in their homes than transwomen.

Where are the resources being put into remembering them?

Can you see how it looks? As if public bodies care more about the death of a single transwoman than all of them put together?

Please ask yourself why that is?

There was one trans person murdered in the UK last year and the case was truly horrific As were the cases of the many women murdered by their partners.

An average of 137 women across the world are killed by a partner or family member every day, according to new data released by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-46292919

So, using the bet figures we have available to us, globally there are as many women murdered by their partners every 3 days as there are trans women in any year, for any reason!

And you want us to stop saying that?