New Zealand: Bill on transgender birth certificates creates big issues

[TimeLady]

Sounds familiar....

www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/108740984/Bill-on-transgender-birth-certificates-creates-big-issues

Scrumple and

It's so easy for people in a given country to hide behind a figleaf of "we're doing this small liberal thing right, aren't we great?" While ignoring all the things that aren't going great. (Normally I'd include my own country in this but given the current government and UC etc. I'm not sure we can even lay claim to a fig leaf.)

And what is why I don't engage with posters like julj.

You're quite right of course!

Stars you hit the nail on the head:

Sex? No trumps yes.
Babies? No trumps yes.
Cup of tea? No trumps yes.
Men in women's spaces? Be rude not to.

That central inconsistency, that disconnect, shows the people advocating these views up for exactly what they are - MRAs who don't think women's consent (or indeed views of any sort) matter, because women aren't properly human in their minds.

That central inconsistency, that disconnect, shows the people advocating these views up for exactly what they are - MRAs who don't think women's consent (or indeed views of any sort) matter, because women aren't properly human in their minds

"Out you popped and everyone’s shouting: “It’s a boy, it’s a boy!” And somebody said: “But it hasn’t got a winkle!” And I said: “God be praised, it’s a miracle. A boy without a winkle!” And then Sir Thomas More pointed out that a boy without a winkle is a girl. Everyone was really disappointed."

Those NZ statistics are heartbreaking.

julj70 hasn't answered my question about transabled people either - it's weird, no one ever does. I can't imagine why.

"Out you popped and everyone’s shouting: “It’s a boy, it’s a boy!” And somebody said: “But it hasn’t got a winkle!” And I said: “God be praised, it’s a miracle. A boy without a winkle!” And then Sir Thomas More pointed out that a boy without a winkle is a girl. Everyone was really disappointed."

I love Blackadder

I think some people have taken Nursie's dimwitted utterances as scientific fact!

@Scrumplestiltskin thank you for your post at 10.27. It is brilliant and heartbreaking.

saskia

KatVonGulag

Shit.
Cats bark?

Well, they do sometimes growl in a very similar way to dogs Kat never yet heard one bark though!

Seals bark. Just in case anyone was wondering.

As do sealions.

I always think seals look a bit like dogs in the shape of their heads and eyes Binglebong.

They really do. I keep thinking of Sven the Seal from Mist sheepdog tales now.

gendercritter yes, they really are Often NZ is thought of as some wonderful, progressive little "clean green" nation, but really we are drowning in problems - housing, meth abuse, synthetic weed abuse that kills people, (sexual) violence against children, (specifically females,) and domestic violence that may "go both ways" often but only ends up in females being severely injured/dead. Julj has a very rosy, false view of our country.
FermatsTheorem and Fezzik, thank you It really angered me that Julj was trying to paint NZ as a progressive paradise. All laws that support transwomen will do, is make areas of public space even more hostile to women.
I'd also love Julj to come back and explain why she discriminates against presumed innocent non-trans males, by not wanting them in female spaces

1 in 3 girls in New Zealand will be seriously sexually abused by the age of 16,

Fucking hell Scrumplestiltskin. I'm absolutely gobsmacked by that statistic.

I frequently run out of words to describe a situation where the validation of a handful of men, a significant proportion of whom fetishise women, is placed above women and girls who have been sexually assaulted and abused by men. Because misogynistic, heartless bastards simply doesn't cut it any more.

Yeah - and it's not "just" groping too, Datun - 70% of those assaults involve direct genital contact And a full half of Maori girls suffer it

Women shouldn't have to use sexual abuse and assault as a reason to say no to male people, but the fact that male people and their allies won't even have the empathy to listen to sexually abused and assaulted women and girls, is horrifying.

As an Irishwoman I substantiated We're A Great Little Country all the Same syndrome.
We think we're great because we have a mystical poet for a president (obvs he's more and I actually do love him) and a young gay half Indian man as Taoiseach. Plus we did self id years ago and soon well have abortion services!!!!
But but but

Sorry for typos substantiated should be understand

I've watched this whole tide of nonsense from afar, with admiration. But it seems to be spreading here too. I'm in a small town in the midlands. People here eat their dinner in the middle of the day - our equivalent to middle England.
But 2 out g the 3 new candidates for the local council have been described as 20 something lgbt advocates. Obviously a good thing but in the current climate something i wish to know a little more about.
In the library the other day - there is a big collection of health and well being books, loads f good stuff,being pushed on national media etc. In the teen section there are all the usual Growing Up books you'd expect. A small shelf in a small one room country library, 3 by Juno D wson .