Women's mental health is being damaged by our forced extinction.

[Womantheonlykind]

I just watched the parliamentary debate.

I am sick of the manipulative fraud, the suicide myth (lie lie lie) and TRA mental health tropes being pushed as a reason to remove women's identity and legal rights. Why is no one quoting the NHS statement on this?

What about our mental health?

I am unable to see an unconflicted peaceful future with me in it at the moment. The more I hear from this debate and the more I see incredibly valid objection to the erasure of women's identity crushed under the heel of the "be nice or be punished" boot together with the dismissal of ongoing violence by men (often in the guise of women) as irrelevant the harder I find it to cope.

The reality of being forced by my government to be complicit to some fantasy that goes against every scientific fact in my head is damaging to my mental health. The instant dismissal of all truthful data collection fries my logic chip.

The way child abuse is being legitimised and has been rushpushed into government health, social and education policy in less than a decade WITH NO ETHICAL EXAMINATION OR STUDY gives me nightmares and makes me sick to my stomach on a daily basis.

I am so angry, so distraught, so appalled that the total class erasure of women is expected to continue unnoticed and unimpeded. I know we are all doing our bit, I feel it is too late, the rug has been pulled from under us.

For me personally this has absolutely devastated me, my world view and self view is irreparably damaged.

I feel absolutely the same 🤝

Females are being damaged and I share your emotional reaction.

I feel your pain, OP.

If anyone has the wherewithall to set up a suitable survey and gather some statistics on how many women feel their mental health has been damaged by this attack on womens' biological rights and felt suicidal as a result then maybe that would be useful to reflect the reality of this in debate.

I am one woman who feels this way.

I feel the same and I very often find myself wondering if women have a future at all.

Me too. Not so much for myself, but for my DD.

It is a constant struggle with anxiety/depression - something I thought I had got on top of.

Great post OP. The thing is, most people agree. This has happened via subterfuge and systematic bullying. Women have always been oppressed in a variety of ways and this is just the latest group that sadly contains some rank misogynists indulging their own fetishes at the expense of women's rights and children's safety.

It's grim.

I feel the same. With the added complication of autism - I am forced to lie for someone else's feelings. What about my feelings? How about the discomfort - and cognitive dissonance I feel when lying?

This whole episode is seriously undermining my faith in society, our political process and our public institutions. I feel thoroughly disenfranchised and that women and children are deemed to be expendable casualties to advance this agenda. Today may be the 100th anniversary of women getting the vote, but I don’t feel much like celebrating.

Butler, Atkins and the rest of the handmaids don't care about your feelings or trans people really let a be clear, they care about their reputation, holding on to power and £.

The press and the public need to shout louder than CEOs at M&S, GG and Mermaids.

If anyone has the wherewithall to set up a suitable survey and gather some statistics on how many women feel their mental health has been damaged by this attack on womens' biological rights

A lot of women that I know have actively decided that they don't want to know the ins and outs of what is happening and I respect that decision that they've taken to protect their mental health.

If asked in a survey, they'd say that it doesn't affect them because they've taken this decision. And, to some extent, particularly in the light of what is happening, this can seem like a good self-protective mechanism for individuals.

It's feel it's desperate and that we're moving towards the fertile conditions for totalitarianism on a societal level but, that said, obviously vast numbers live under those systems and manage to make their own uneasy peace with it. I will be in need of the educational assistance of a gulag to get me to adapt to this.

I read this thread title and though 'woah, that is over the top'. But thinking it through, it is not. You are correct. With mixed sex hospital wards and whatnot, things will become way more intimidating for women. And if they point it out, they get punished. As is already happening.

I absolutely think that MPs should be forced to use the same health services as the average commoner. No private room for extra money. (Same goes for the school they send their kids to). This type of shit can only happen because politicians are isolated from their decisions.

I don't disagree. There have been threads before on this very issue, and it's heartbreaking to read how much women are affected by this situation - the potential implications alone are terrifying, but the effect right now is deeply upsetting.

It's worth noting that when trans people's struggles are mentioned, there is a significant body of comments that express the natural sympathy we all feel when someone suffers, and a generous hearted and honest statement that many women would be totally on board with wanting to support measures to alleviate that suffering.

But whenever I've seen women express their mental health difficulties, I have seen the response from AWAs be that if only places like MN would stop talking about it, women wouldn't be so upset. Dismissing it out of hand, if not outright scorning the idea.

As if so many women haven't had it drummed into them their whole lives that their suffering is always secondary to someone else's.

It's infuriating and upsettingly depressing in equal measure. Today I'm feeling quite firm. Many other days I have felt beaten down and crushed under the weight of dealing with it all. So I totally get you. xx

The equalities impact asssessment into letting men into womens prisons on a self ID basis in scotland was eye opening

Under the headng for the protected charcteristic "sex" the person whol filled in the considerations section just wrote "none".

That is a mind-boggling level of lack of care concern interest in what is a highly vulnerable group. NO considerations at all. None.

And this is what we are up against >> women have still not achieved full personhood in our society, it's been lip service, and this is showing up how massively society favours men and literally does not even consider women worth thinking about AT ALL >> it is distressing, of course it is.

I wouldn't use the terms extinction or erasure (we aren't going anywhere) but I agree with what you say otherwise.

I'm with you. And the thing that worries me most is that I am an educated, white, middle class, middle aged, able-bodied (atm) woman with tons of privilege . I have so much less reason to be personally afraid than women for whom violence, homelessness, imprisonment, mental health section and reliance on intimate care are day to day reality. I find it utterly deplorable that we're being forced to witness the erosion of the basic protections vulnerable women have against male entitlement.

Today after watching that I am tearful and feel physically numb. I know I have to create internal denial now as the only way to manage the rest of my day and hopefully I will feel stronger later.

I will be back if and when I can cope.

Anyone in favour of self id has not though it through to the inevitable.

This has ruined my life.

To all the women suffering oppression

Me too OP. Have some soothing . Take some time off social media and FFS don't look at the crowing misogynists on Twitter. Especially the bloody women.

It's peaks and troughs at the moment, but it IS turning, and it will fully once the general public realises what the fuck is going on.

As that good woman said, 'Keep puuuuuuullling'

Read it again, it helps.
janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

We're sill floating back and forth around here....
Episode 3: The Second War Begins. Scene 1 – Somewhere in Whitehall, 2018

"Government: We think we’re going to change the law. Just a little administrative clear up to make life less burdensome for the trans population who, as we know, are terribly vulnerable.

Feminists: You’re going to do what??? Why didn’t you ask us about this?

Government: Yes well, the trans people said it didn’t affect you.

Feminists: THEY SAID WHAT??? Hang on a motherfucking minute."

Now read on, take rest and come back fighting...

I feel the same @Womantheonlykind so I've taken to simple trying to ignore it. I'm fed up with signing petitions and talking about it and trying to make people understand. I need to take a step back to protect myself. I haven't posted much about it on MN because there are posters here who articulate my feelings way better than I am able to, but I lurk on the FWR boards very frequently. I despair for the future of women and I have a 12-year-old daughter whose future I really really fear

Peaks and troughs exactly

I agree, the level of anxiety I feel over this is observable. Never thought I’d be part of something that’s driven by fear.

I agree. Humour is a formidable defence and what allows me to process the insanity of current affairs.

What keeps me going is knowing that sooner or later the house of cards will tumble down. What makes me cry is the knowledge that it’s the unethical medical treatment of children and the future lawsuits from that which will be the tipping point.

We’re harming children. We’re sterilising gay, lesbian and autistic youth.

Yes peaks and troughs definitely.

The last 2 days have been great with the coverage on women's hour, this morning etc and the shockingly poor performance of the TWAW lobby but .. I do feel very dispirited after the W&EC 'debate' today too.

I've only been 'actively' involved for a few months now but the debate feels very different now and all this has been achieved in such a short space of time. MPs are lagging behind (or there are other reasons preventing them engaging) but i think the tide has turned

This nonsense has to get through the HoC and the HoL.

Right now it looks like a few TWAW handmaids will vote it through because nobody else will go near it exc DTCD.

The press and public have a little more time to encourage MPs and Lords to not only look into this further - turn up and vote this down.

What keeps me going is knowing that sooner or later the house of cards will tumble down. What makes me cry is the knowledge that it’s the unethical medical treatment of children and the future lawsuits from that which will be the tipping point.

Last few days:
Telegraph:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3428923-In-10-years-well-ask-how-we-allowed-the-trans-lobby-to-hijack-childhood

Channel 4 tonight
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3419984-trans-kids-it-s-time-to-talk-ch4

Good Morning Britain & This Morning ITV
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3427836-Bob-Withers-on-GMB-and-This-Morning-today

BBC Woman's Hour
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3427931-Prof-Stock-on-Womans-Hour-today

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3428918-Womans-Hour-Tues-20-11-18-Why-is-the-current-debate-about-sex-and-gender-so-often-called-toxic-we-hear-from-Bex-Stinson-and-helenlewis

Mail on Sunday:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3426753-Tomorrows-Mail-on-Sunday-Front-Page

Sunday Times:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thank-god-they-didnt-make-this-tomboy-trans-thzt8xr3z

Great speeches posted by WPUK from their Bath Meeting:

Sarah Ditun

Sarah Johnson

Professor Clara Greed