Women's mental health is being damaged by our forced extinction.

[Womantheonlykind]

I just watched the parliamentary debate.

I am sick of the manipulative fraud, the suicide myth (lie lie lie) and TRA mental health tropes being pushed as a reason to remove women's identity and legal rights. Why is no one quoting the NHS statement on this?

What about our mental health?

I am unable to see an unconflicted peaceful future with me in it at the moment. The more I hear from this debate and the more I see incredibly valid objection to the erasure of women's identity crushed under the heel of the "be nice or be punished" boot together with the dismissal of ongoing violence by men (often in the guise of women) as irrelevant the harder I find it to cope.

The reality of being forced by my government to be complicit to some fantasy that goes against every scientific fact in my head is damaging to my mental health. The instant dismissal of all truthful data collection fries my logic chip.

The way child abuse is being legitimised and has been rushpushed into government health, social and education policy in less than a decade WITH NO ETHICAL EXAMINATION OR STUDY gives me nightmares and makes me sick to my stomach on a daily basis.

I am so angry, so distraught, so appalled that the total class erasure of women is expected to continue unnoticed and unimpeded. I know we are all doing our bit, I feel it is too late, the rug has been pulled from under us.

For me personally this has absolutely devastated me, my world view and self view is irreparably damaged.

Did you see the debate that followed? It was about the judicial system and rape. The Tories are funding Rape Crisis, and more studies are needed before action can be taken, apparently.

nothing to see here, move along.

I read and lurk here all the time, curtailed by cowardice, but grateful for the unmatched brilliance of so many fabulous women - learning so much and trying to discuss the issues with family, epic fail there sadly - no one can match the oppression etc and as a privileged middle class, white woman what do I know..... But yes, my mental health is suffering, I feel that I'm being forced to believe in a religion not of my choosing, because if I don't I'm 'literally killing' people.

All bloody codswallop, obviously, but it is wearing, and my children are going wilfully blindfolded into a frightening future.

Thank you to ROwantrees, FloralBunting, SandyDrawsBadly et al for positive reminders and giving hope that sanity, and truth will prevail. And if not, save me a bunk in the gulag.

Folks in other countries are seeing that we have a stronger resistance here (reminds me of V from the 80's) and a freer press, so that gives me hope. I think we have less tolerance for BS than some other countries and stricter social rules (especially the older generation).

it is abusive, pure and simple. You know that all those women today are really saying 'you know, if you stopped fighting us, we wouldn't have to hurt you'.

They are abusers, groomers and paedophile apologists.

Womantheonlykind
Yes you sum up how I feel. My partner runs a community building where we held a meeting on the GRA consultation in Scotland. Masked protesters turned up, his business came under sustained social media attack, LGBTQI organisations met him , told him women had penises, get over it, and they could arrange training for his board and staff. His business is now boycotted by those organisations.
All my elected members support this apart from Tory list MSP. I have come to mistrust the political system entirely after seeing how easily it is captured by well funded idealogues. I dislike like my country, Scotland, intensely. All major players from every facet of society are cheerleading the erasure of women's rights in the name of some whack idea of being progressive.
I am losing my job in March due to lack of funding and think I will have to set up on my own as I can't in all conscience sign up to the whole trans nonsense that has captured the voluntary sector. Public sector is all over it - they looove to be seen to be progressive while implementing cuts to services to the poorest. Broadcast media have bought it hook, line and sinker
I think in England you may have a chance. It's bigger and more of you are speaking up. In Scotland, there's a whole chumocracy of people in law, politics, media, civil society, business who all know each other, give out awards to each other etc etc. We are ignored as citizens. The governement is so proud of claiming to be the first governemtn in the world to introduce lgbtqi education from primary school. This stuff is going to happen in Scotland and it's going to be a shitfest.
Spend some time away from social media, go and do things you enjoy as much as you can. I am lucky that my partner, sister and best friend all agree with us.

Agree with you Op. Don't dare watch the debate today.
This whole thing has fundamentally changed me. I don't feel the same about men any more. Every single one of them. I thought I was pretty cynical before, but now...
As for the women who support this - I'm full of hate. Didn't want to be, but I am.

At least we have Mumsnet. Imagine what this whole situation would be like if we didn't.

As for the women who support this - I'm full of hate. Didn't want to be, but I am.

I never know whether their understanding is hampered by their privilege. Or if it's a case that otherwise competent, high-achieving women have so internalised the power dynamics of the patriarchy that they're using those same dynamics to oppress other women.

This whole business is really messing with my mental health too. Admittedly I do have mental health issues, but this has exacerbated them beyond belief. I only came to the party in April, but since then I don’t think I’ve felt at piece once.I had a very bad episode in June, and without going into too much detail, I was lucky to survive. That, in no small part, was down to the sheer amount of stress and worry this has caused me. On the upside though, I’ve learned an awful lot about feminism, UK law, child safeguarding, and a whole host of other things I didn’t know, didn’t much care about, and more than a few things I wish I didn’t now know. The other thing I’ve discovered is solidarity with other women, which is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going, so thank you all, and all the other women I’ve connected with because of this god awful mess.

I will end this year a lot more knowledgable, and a lot less sane I think.

I will never be the same again either, nor will my life. I look outside, I go outside amongst people and everything seems ordinary and normal. But I feel as though I am one of the few who knows a terrible secret, and that secret is that life as we know it is about to change radically. For the worse.

Just reading about how women's concerns are ignored, day after day, can only have a detrimental effect. I know that a lot of us will just have to have more constrained lives - the urinary leash will be a major consideration for lots of us, we'll have to give up sports, the gym etc as men will be in our changing rooms. Any previously women-only organisations will be taken over by men wearing wigs and lippy. We'll go back to living underground, meeting in our homes. Though what we'll do about work I have no idea as most women have to work, no choice, so we'll be even further down the career ladder with the trans ladies at the top, performing their femininity while we scrub the floors.

I also really fear for my granddaughter.

I feel similarly OP, and have done since I found out about this and so that's 5 fucking years of disbelief at the bs, amazement that anyone with an ounce of sense can believe one word of that bs once they realise what's going on and absolute blazing anger at our public institutions and the great and the good buying into it all so unquestioningly.

It has affected my mh hugely and continues to do so.

I don't know what would have happened if I hadn't found my way to MN, and through that met other like minded women irl. Absolutely it's peaks and troughs - today after that shit show of a debate it feels very much like a trough.

I try to tell myself that something that is in essence metaphysical nonsense and has untruths and lies at its core will not ultimately triumph, but I fear it will get a lot, lot worse before it gets better and that both scares and infuriates me.

We need to keep on keeping on though, there is no other choice.

My niece wants to transition. I can't in all conscience call her my nephew because it's a lie. I use her new name with no problems.

I'm afraid that my stance will lead to the loss of family members who willingly collude in the delusion. They believe the suicide stats and associated bollocks.

I've been gaslit by my family over childhood issues and in abusive relationships. Being made to speak lies or keep schtum is hurtful. It goes against my morals and my perception of what is true.

I can't even speak my truth with some friends or at work because others believe the lies.

I'm not sure about the idea it relates to privilege

Women across the board experience abuse from random men on the street, sexism in school & workplace & amongst family and so on, assault by intimite partners and so on.

Also stuff around not being listened to about own health and so on.

For sure there are factors that make it worse but the core issue is being female which women cannot escape through money / being educated etc

I think a lot of women across society are bastards to other women >> the magical thinking stuff where women & girls are deemed to be "asking for it" is by no means restricted to one type of woman.

I reckon that for the female MPs it i a combo of
Intense targeted lobbying by trans orgs

• a desire to gain and keep power

These together mean that opposing ideas are dismissed out of hand. They have been told its like gay rights and questioning will lose them votes

So. Not sure this can be explained that way.

It seems less men are all TWAW than women which is interesting. Women are seen as a soft target I reckon and pushed and pushed. And of course some are thick.And some will say anything to be "popular".

I feel exactly the same 🤬🤬😢

And yes to having autism and finding it incredibly distressing that I'm being asked to say/believe things that are simply not true!

I agree, OP, I was absolutely disgusted at the Westminster Hall debate on Self-ID today. Only one MP on our side, the rest a bunch of women who've been indoctrinated into the trans cult. I couldn't help but look up the wikipedia pages of these women going out of their way to not talk about the issues of women in this country and instead prostrate themselves before trans ideology. I don't mean to alienated anyone by saying this, but the most vocal member who spoke for the longest, Layla Moran, was educated at Rodean. I doubt she's ever had to use a homeless hostel, as I have, or been the victim of domestic violence, or been a transwidow, or had any of the experiences similar to the most vulnerable women in society, for whom reforms are most likely to impact. They should be shamed, publicly for their disgusting betrayal of women and children in this country.

If boiling bloody rage equals mental health being affected then that's where I am right now. I'm old, I've had my life and I'm ready to fight regardless of the consequences

CroneXX The misrepresentations of statistics re: suicide in trying to put the onus on anyone who is gender critical is harmful to GC Feminists' (& others who are GC) mental health. It is emotionally manipulative & abusive.

This is so true. I've got a friendly email in my inbox equating my 'disagreement' with 'disagreeing that disabled people should be allowed to live'.

The only thing I can say to this is that a threat of suicide is neither a reason to give someone what they want at your own expense, nor is it appropriate to pin the blame on GC views alone. If we wanted to play the blame game, I think the blame is far more on the people who sell the lie that you have the right to be believed without question as long as you say the magic word 'trans', that your choices are death or transition, and who encourage each other to 'block and stay safe'. It cannot be mentally healthy to be that way.

I honestly honestly believe that the glorification and martyrdom of trans people who do hurt themselves, and the irresponsible way this is discussed in these circles, is in general far more to blame for trans-identifying people's dreadful mental health than we are.

It brings me no joy to hurt someone but I'm getting increasingly hardened. I've argued with these activists before - do you acknowledge that you are hurting people too, if I acknowledge that I have a chance of hurting you? (I'll let you guess how well that is going...)

My own MH is a mess, an absolute mess. Sports were my refuge when I struggled to cope with being female. Laurel Hubbard ruined lifting for me, and I'm trying to get my head together enough to go back. Liberal ideology, including liberal feminism and gender ideology, messed my head up. I could not properly articulate what was happening to me. I could not reject sexist beauty standards or sex positivity or the pain of being a woman, because I had to respect people's choices and the fact that I was privileged for being 'cis'. I will never get those years back.

I've become stronger through this board, and articulating this concept: the idea of 'cis' is victim blaming. To say, in the context of sexism and rampant misogyny, that women 'choose' their identities, and that makes them privileged, is pure victim blaming. When you signal to gender ideologists that you support their right to 'self-identification', you must acknowledge that you are at once also signalling to females who suffer from sex-based disadvantages that you are against them.

I am not letting them get away with pretending that isn't true.

I have reached the stage of life where regardless of the outcome,I will not be complying with any of the demands made by men wanting access to single sex female spaces.
Women have economic muscle.

The most depressing thing is that it's not just the TRAs with anime avatars and 26 followers in Twitter who spout the emotional blackmail, it's our (female) MPs as we saw in Westminster Hall today! It seems to be all they have by way of argument, a constant derailing to avoid being made to answer to any of our concerns. I'd love to see some of the articulate women on here being giving the opportunity to debate with these cretinous handmaidens.

Thank you OP for this. Here's some things I do to help me not go insane with this:

1. Take time out from social media - every day. If you can take a few days at a time.
2. Remember that most of the general public realise this whole issue is bunk.
3. Remember that a 100% fair society is not going to happen. There will always be issues. You don't have to spend 100% of your time on this.
4. Look how far we've come in just a few short months.
5. Remember the Stickerwoman thread here on MN: the advice was get offline. Talk to family, friends etc about this. This is the only way it's really going to resolve itself.
6. Call this out for the cult it it when you can (I know that's not always going to be possible).
7. Meditation! It helps mental health!

My mental health has definitely suffered - I almost wish I was back in that blissful mist of ignorance

I am normally a calm, rational person.
The anger I feel about this issue is visceral.
I feel sick to the stomach at how women and girls legal rights have been sidelined to accommodate a few men.

Women and children are at risk.
We have been duped and I am raging.