Another example of the risks to women and girls of mixed-sex changing rooms and toilets

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www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/yorkshire-man-jailed-for-filming-teen-girls-as-they-got-undressed-in-changing-rooms-and-bathrooms-1-9451644

I do find myself doing the towel dance inside my cubicle as swimming change is now mixed.

It is a huge issue in amateur swimming. Men organise and travel the country trying to film and photograph teenage women swimmers in changing rooms. They coordinate on the internet. It causes huge distress. They will be emboldened and enabled by all this.

Ffs what is wrong with men. Why the fuck do they do this

We could talk for ever about what's wrong with these men, why they do it etc but the thing is they DO do this and we can surely get evidence of it? Every time it happens it needs reporting to whoever is on the ground and to the police and keep a log here perhaps. If these despicable bastards are messaging on AN to travel the country to do it, I imagine that's evidence right there. Whether anything will be done is something else altogether.

It is very common. This a couple of months ago:

Jail term for soft play company boss who used 'peepholes' to film women in toilets and changing rooms

Independent link

“There is CCTV which shows the defendant stalking children around the leisure centre. He attended the leisure centre at times when schools have swim classes,” prosecutor Lauren Sales said.

“He goes up to the swimming pool, sees the kids, sees them using the facilities, stalks them to the shower area and stalks them to the cubicle area and uses the cubicle next to them.

Stoke on Trent live from last month.

"This twisted pervert has appeared in court after he ejaculated into a woman's cup of tea".

"Garyth Twiselton also admitted a string of other shocking acts including filming women and children in the toilets at a Costa Coffee and a leisure centre".

If we were to compile a list of them, it would take forever.

Don't worry your pretty little heads, women. Men won't take advantage of the gigantic loophole in the law that is Self ID. Go back to baking cakes.

There are so many cases of men setting up cameras in mixed sex toilets and changing rooms, so they don't even have to be present. I wouldn't want to use one.

Apparently there are no problems in other countries...noone cares if women don't use facilities.

There is a massive problem in South Korea!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45040968

Mumfun said

"It is a huge issue in amateur swimming. Men organise and travel the country trying to film and photograph teenage women swimmers in changing rooms. They coordinate on the internet. It causes huge distress. They will be emboldened and enabled by all this."

Amazing. Do you have a link?

When we learned our new, soon to opened local pool had a village changing room, I told my wife she was being paranoid when she raised concerns about it.
It was open a week when the first man
was caught taking pictures under the divide.

I wouldn't go if the changing rooms were mixed sex. I'm not sure what I would do about mixed sex toilets if I was desperate to go.

When we wrote to M&S a while back, they said there would be proper cubicles, not just a curtain!

I brought my young daughter to be fitted for her first bra in M&S recently, in the designated bra section. There was a chair outside with a great lumbering boy of about 14 and I had to ask the staff member to move away a bit as my daughter was very shy and self-conscious. I commented that the boy shouldn't really be sitting there-even if he was waiting for his mother he was too close to the changing room and it could make the women uncomfortable. Yes, the lady agreed, and you wouldn't believe how many men try to casually wander into the bra changing rooms and have to be asked to leave. Pretending to be lost or accompanying their partner while having a good old look around. So many fucking creeps and perverts, and women have always known this.

Sarahjconnor I had the same issue in M&S in Leeds too. Bloke in fishnets and sparkly heels followed me into the lingerie changing room to try on a coat! Wasn't challenged by staff at all. Who uses the bra fitting area to try a fucking coat on?

There is a changing village at my local pool. There is almost always a member of staff busily mopping the floor along the main corridor that overlooks all the cubicles. I don't think the floor is that dirty. I strongly suspect they are watching all the time for this kind of behaviour.
I once came across a totally naked man strolling around, outside of the male showering area. I immediately reported this to staff and they moved very fast indeed to deal with it.
I've mentioned before taking my DD and a friend (maybe aged about 7 at that time) to an outdoor pool/fountain thing which has mixed sex changing and the attendants told me to effectively stand guard at the door as they had such a major problem with men coming in and trying to take photos under the gap.
It may not surprise you that both of these are in West Yorkshire.

I know of a woman who was filmed in the shower by a camera hidden in a shampoo bottle.
It was at her friend's house, the friend's husband was responsible and had done it to several other women who'd stayed the night and then took a shower in the morning. His wife eventually found the videos on his laptop and informed police. He didn't think he'd done anything wrong- as far as he was concerned the women didn't know they were being filmed so it was pretty much a victimless crime.

Yorkshire again, three months ago.

BBC link

Bradford voyeur lifeguard jailed for child sex offences

A sports centre worker who sexually assaulted a girl and filmed children getting changed has been jailed.

Childrenofthestones

That's shocking but, sadly, unsurprising.

I suppose the only positive outcome of this might be that decent men actually see for themselves what women are experiencing.

I've just remembered something from a few years ago, friend of a friend discovered her landlord (was a house with rented rooms, landlord lived in the house) had set up secret cameras in the bedrooms and bathrooms and had been filming his lodgers for months. Landlord (male) all the lodgers he filmed were female.
Not Yorkshire this time.

A colleague was confronted with a completely nude male, wearing lipstick and with long hair, in the female gym changing room (open plan, no changing cubicles).

She was horrified and scurried to the showers and hid in a cubicle until he had gone.

Blooper I wonder what would have happened if she'd called the police from the cubicle to report a flasher/intruder.

He didn't think he'd done anything wrong
Erm I am sure he knew it was wrong. Otherwise why hide the camera?

Blooper I wonder what would have happened if she'd called the police from the cubicle to report a flasher/intruder.
She might have been interviewed under caution for committing a hate crime, of course.

And WTF is wrong with Yorkshire?

We had not one but two seperate cases recently of two different men in the mixed family changing room filming the children/women. Fucking dirty scummers only got caught after several months, one almost got away with it because he was claiming he was "transitioning" and felt safer in there with his (absent) "son", the other was collared by a father who saw him watching freshly videoed images in the cafe upstairs.

Beamur: There is a changing village at my local pool. There is almost always a member of staff busily mopping the floor along the main corridor that overlooks all the cubicles. I don't think the floor is that dirty.

Yup, the member of staff will indeed be mopping a clean floor in order to keep an eye on things. Back when I was a grad student, getting on for 20 years ago, I had a friend who worked part time as reception/life guard at the local pool. He said they had a list of known pervs and made sure that a member of staff went into the mens' changing rooms to mop the floor any time one showed up - to protect young boys and teens who were already in there. (This pool did have separate men's and women's changing rooms back then.)

@thenightsky she complained and was informed the man identified as female.... she sent them on some info on the equality act and exclusions!