Jordan Peterson thinks women who wear makeup and complain about sexual harrassment are hypocrites

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Jordan Peterson has done an interview saying women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment as it's "sexually provocative". So basically telling his male audience that they are free to sexually harrass women and they're basically asking for it because of something as innocent as makeup. I just can't with this man. He is so dangerous to society.

www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/06/04/jordan-peterson-fully-in-context-and-incredibly-sexist/

Here's his quote from the interview:

Peterson: Here’s a rule. How about no makeup in the workplace?

Vice: Why should that be a rule?

Peterson: Why should you wear makeup in the workplace? Isn’t that sexually provocative?

Vice: No

Peterson: It’s not?

Vice: No

Peterson: Well what is it then? What’s the purpose of makeup?

Vice: (unclear) like to just put on makeup, just to…

Peterson: Why? Why do you make your lips red? Because they turn red during sexual arousal. That’s why. Why do you put rouge on your cheeks? Same reason. How about high heels? They’re there to exaggerate sexual attractiveness. That’s what high heels do. Now, I’m not saying people shouldn’t use sexual displays in the workplace, I’m not saying that. But I am saying that that is what they’re doing, and that IS what they’re doing.

Vice: Do you feel like a serious woman who doesn’t want sexual harassment in the workplace, do you feel like if she wears makeup in the workplace, is being somewhat hypocritical?

Jordan Peterson: Yeah. I do think that.

steve please accept my sympathies

An important point I forgot to say. It took until my DD was born for a few things to click in my head. Being raped is all about power. Control. My opinion is attractivity, clothing, makeup et al are excuses these monsters use in an attempt to control. I know just my perceiving he must have found me "attractive" causes me demons even today. It's bullshit, he chose me because I was an easy target. When I hear of drunk women being raped it reinforces this. Or am I way off-base.

Thank you Bernard, Rufus & AF

Oops, just from a male perspective. Being raped as a male makes you question your sexuality and emasculates you. I went through a period "feeling" gay.

Steve thank you for posting. I just read Leona O'Callaghan's story too. 25 years she's carried that. I hope you no longer feel any blame or shame.

Steve.

That's awful Steve. And you are right, it's about power not attractiveness or "tempting".
My friends 70 something grandmother was raped in her own home. I don't know if it went to court but if it did I'm CERTAIN the judge didn't question what she was wearing, or how she was behaving.
Rape is still seen, in society, as a "loss if control"- a man being overcome by lust, but it's not that. I hope you know you did nothing to cause it.

Steve, rape is definitely about power., and reframing it as the survivor's fault is about power, too. Having a son, stories like yours keep me up at night.
Please accept my sympathies.

I've read through most of this thread now and I urge you to watch Joe Rogan interview Dr Jordan Peterson. They specifically address the Vice interview which was highly edited.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=uU6pHBs5rNY

Placemarking. I like him tbh. He clarifies my thinking.

I like this

“on't loads of women wear makeup to look acceptable, because girls have it drummed into them that they should look attractive (even sexually attractive). And I complied with this when I was younger, because how attractive (==acceptable) I was was the primary lever of control I had over the world. And if I was going to get harrassed anyway (and I was) then being more attractive meant I could look like being harrassed didn't bother me. anyone still following?”

“Nope. I used to wear make up at work and dress as described because women who do not do these things are deemed unprofessional. I rarely wear make up now and would be delighted if wearing no make up and sensible shoes were considered acceptable for professional women”

Same here

“I started wearing make up as a teenager because looking attractive was literally the only power i thought I could have.
I could write alot about it but I feel that as a woman being attractive ( note artificially attractive) is a kind of power and control.

Obviously it is a total fake power, a fools gold as the 'power' is being handed out to you is by other people's assessment of you. The power is not real, it is approval of your decision to conform and accept men's rating of you.

I could write much more of my thoughts on this but suffice it to say, I really don't think he has understood any of the conditioning that girls go through.”

Thank you for this. I work from home in order to avoid makeup....what’s going on here....?

I am 44, have career (professional leadership role) and children. Nothing this tool has ever said or ever will say will cause me to question my choices for even one millisecond.
We do what we like and will carry on, mr Peterson. Suck it up.

Good for you fella. Keep up the hard work... I'm a little younger and maybe slightly indifferent about how my career has turned out, because I no longer love what I do. But I'm always up for learning new things, no matter who the 'teacher' might be.

Firstly no one should experience sexual harassment in the workplace, thats a given.

But its an interesting point, and made me think. I dont buy into the idea that we have to wear make up to look professional. At work I dont wear make up, I wear a suit, flat shoes (because they're more comfortable especially for commuting in), unlike some women in the office I dont feel the name to wear crazy big high heels or a barely there skirt to accentuate my bottom, I dont plaster my face in lipstick. In fact I think I look far more professional that the women who dress like this!

Im going to work, Im not dressing up to impress anyone. Im there to do a job. I look neat and professional. Im not going to start wearing make up or high heels and those that do that claim to having to do so to fit in, well its quite silly really.

But its an interesting point, and made me think. I dont buy into the idea that we have to wear make up to look professional

No, I don't buy into this either.

unlike some women in the office I dont feel the name to wear crazy big high heels or a barely there skirt to accentuate my bottom, I dont plaster my face in lipstick

However I don't buy into this either as being remotely a description of the professional women I've worked with in over 30 years.