Jordan Peterson thinks women who wear makeup and complain about sexual harrassment are hypocrites

[fizzthecat1]

Jordan Peterson has done an interview saying women who wear makeup are inviting sexual harassment as it's "sexually provocative". So basically telling his male audience that they are free to sexually harrass women and they're basically asking for it because of something as innocent as makeup. I just can't with this man. He is so dangerous to society.

www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2018/06/04/jordan-peterson-fully-in-context-and-incredibly-sexist/

Here's his quote from the interview:

Peterson: Here’s a rule. How about no makeup in the workplace?

Vice: Why should that be a rule?

Peterson: Why should you wear makeup in the workplace? Isn’t that sexually provocative?

Vice: No

Peterson: It’s not?

Vice: No

Peterson: Well what is it then? What’s the purpose of makeup?

Vice: (unclear) like to just put on makeup, just to…

Peterson: Why? Why do you make your lips red? Because they turn red during sexual arousal. That’s why. Why do you put rouge on your cheeks? Same reason. How about high heels? They’re there to exaggerate sexual attractiveness. That’s what high heels do. Now, I’m not saying people shouldn’t use sexual displays in the workplace, I’m not saying that. But I am saying that that is what they’re doing, and that IS what they’re doing.

Vice: Do you feel like a serious woman who doesn’t want sexual harassment in the workplace, do you feel like if she wears makeup in the workplace, is being somewhat hypocritical?

Jordan Peterson: Yeah. I do think that.

Yes it is v worrying that somebody with so many disciples is coming out with this view. People take his views as fact. This is scary.

men ive known over the years pretty much all believe that women wear makeup and nice clothes to appeal to men. they could never grasp that women wear what they like as it makes them feel good or gives them confidenxe or simply because they like what theyre wearing.

Yes. Even relatively 'feminist' men think this way in my experience. They think that women only put effort into their appearance as a way to 'compete' with other women over men - as though your average man was some sort of prize that women were desperate to win.

but ophelia called out her brother if not hamlet on his double standards when she said do not good brother show me the steep and thorny path to heaven (?) ... whilst like a puffed and reckless libertine himself the primrose path of daliance treads, and wrecks not his own reed. So Shakespeare got it even if Jordan Petersen (and Hamlet) didn't. Hamlet was presented as being in turmoil and not without flaw though!

JP: Do you think women should be allowed to breathe in a work place?

Interviewer: Yes

JP: Do you not realise just have powerfully attractive men find the almost blood heat of a woman's breath and the smooth laminar flow of her lung-warmed air as it moves past her larynx?

Interviewer: Men can find slot machines...

JP: You're being ridiculous. So many women breathe in a way that expands their chest. When they breathe and talk, they tilt their heads, and part their lips. So very alluring and provocative. Why do these things?

Interviewer: Waah..? That's how speech is produced, breath, mouth and lip shapes.

JP: What's the purpose of the chest movement in breathing? And talking in a way we interpret as Jessica Rabbit even if it isn't. If a woman speaks she's drawing attention to herself and acting as a vortex of our male gaze. Then you call that attention harassment. Hypocrites.

Interviewer: Do you feel like a serious woman who doesn’t want sexual harassment in the workplace, do you feel like if she breathes or talks in the workplace, is being somewhat hypocritical?

etc.

spot on, arran!

I had to google who this tit is. He is a nobody.

He speak with forked tongue

I don’t shave my legs, i wear Bridget Jones knickers, I don’t wear make up aprt from special occasions, I never do my nails and get a hair cut once a year.

I’ve been pestered by men since I was 14 and still am at 42.

(I’m nothing special btw!)

This expert is an idiot who doesn’t understand men!

Wait...what? We gave to change the way we breathe now? How? Is that quote real??
Anyway, what arouses men is pretty broad and varied. Some men get aroused watching women blow up balloons. That's the work Xmas party scuppered then.
Fun sponges is right.

I have no idea who this guy is

Wait...what? We gave to change the way we breathe now? How? Is that quote real??

Sorry, no - that was my parodic reductio ad absurdum but there is some nonsense that just defies parody.

I have no idea who this guy is

That’s ok AF he has no idea who women are.

Oh, sorry arran fan! I panicked there Nearly had an asthma attack just thinking about trying to breath less!

What you have to understand about Jordan Peterson is he's a men's rights activist. I've followed the MRM for 10 years. Also, he is featured on A Voice For Men, run by Paul Elam, who is a virulent misogynist.

Peterson is also good buddies with the head of the Canadian MRA org CAFE.

Peterson is not brilliant. He's dumb as a post, as well as a misogynist.

Nona

This is another good article about misogynist Peterson, this is his quote on how women need to marry violent men to stop them carrying out terrorist attacks and how we need "enforced monogamy" to stop women only going for high status men. Because it's women's jobs to marry these violent incels.

www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html

"Recently, a young man named Alek Minassian drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van. Ten were killed, and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths. Mr. Minassian declared himself to be part of a misogynist group whose members call themselves incels, who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights. Some believe in forced “sexual redistribution,” in which a governing body would intervene in women’s lives to force them into sexual relationships.

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end.

Women wear makeup mostly because of capitalism selling it to us don't we? Though I guess there has to be some kind of social norm alongside it for the sales to work. Agree that the red lips thing is nicked from the Naked Ape. Does he also think that women have prominent breasts because men like to look at them - another Desmond Morris gem? Even aged 12 and using The Naked Ape to masturbate (times were hard in those days) I thought 'huh? Surely men like prominent breasts because women have them to feed with, and if women had long feeding tubes men would like those instead?'

A friend's husband once mansplained makeup to me in this way referring to Adam Smith. I wish I'd thought at the time to say 'but Adam Smith wore a big fluffy wig?'

enforced monogamy - omg. women are just a resource to serve incels.

and by 'women' they mean young, slim attractive women!

Oh and he's also described childfree women as "pathological, ignorant children doomed to isolation and misery". He's just a disgusting human being. He had a kid when he has clinical depression and autoimmune disorders - which he passed both on to her so not sure he's one to talk about peoples reproductive choices.

He's also obsessed with putting women (not men) off from wanting a career, he basically wants them barefoot and pregnant.

I've stopped having conversations with his fans. I've had male fans of his patronisingly tell me women aren't equal, women make "bad decisions", wearing makeup is a sexual act, all manner of other things. I don't know how anyone respects this guy after looking into him. Anyone who is a doctor and works this hard at fame and relevancy have always turned me off.

he also says women have been sold a lie (career and children). He thinks he knows what women need to be fulfilled.

Men haven't been sold a lie though??! Because women do an extra 9 hours of childcare and housework a week. He has no comment about that.

men ive known over the years pretty much all believe that women wear makeup and nice clothes to appeal to men. they could never grasp that women wear what they like as it makes them feel good or gives them confidenxe or simply because they like what theyre wearing.

Growing up, from my teens or a little earlier (late 80s/early 90s) I was told from men (that I saw as powerful) like teachers, as an example, indeed females dressed to "attract" men, with many connotations attached. It wasn't some random occurrence either, incredibly frequent. Worst teacher for it was a (female) swimming teacher who reinforced the stance by commenting on girls' skirts and swimming costumes and telling them they'd never get a boyfriend "dressed like that".

Then I was raped at 14 and my life and these thoughts were obliterated. Why? Because I'd been (brainwashed?) taught these things. After my rape I cannot explain the shame I felt, and a pervading thought a man had deemed me "attractive" and thus I had "deserved" it.

Over 25 years on and the shame and feelings are just as powerful and I will carry them to the grave without expressing anything. My little secret.

Some scumbags, like the cockroach named in the thread title, have the opinion that if a woman orgasms it's because. Heh, can't write it. I had an erection while my monster did his thing.

Can we round up this neanderthal, others who share his view, all their supporters and dump them on Mars. I'm genuinely fearful of what happens in today's educational system, and how many men agree. Writing this I've literally curled into a ball and pulse raised with goosebumps. That'll be the PTSD, thanks monster. I've self harmed ever since. From my time growing up college and university were even worse.

As an aside, I read the Leona O'Callaghan thread literally right before I wrote this. If I hadn't, this post wouldn't exist. Amazing woman, I wish I had her strength.

SimplySteve

I'm really sorry about what happened to you

steve