Writing from Twitter prison!

[Glinner]

I've received a twelve-hour ban from Twitter so I thought I'd take the chance to say hello lovely mumsnetters! Thank you for all the support and kind words and very proud to be on your side.

I'm not deleting the tweets because I stand by them and there's nothing offensive about them. See for thyself, fellow witches!

I don't think anyone who isn't trans can possibly speak about what is right for a trans person. Nobody chooses to be trans, as it is committing yourself to a horrendous life of prejudice, abuse and discrimination. My daughter does not know any trans people who have regretted transitioning. Far too much is made in the media of trans people who have changed back -- it is a teeny tiny minority. I don't want to get into the puberty blockers argument here, but it is for the experts and trans people to decide - not mumsnetters who don't know what they are talking about.

About to send DH out for something delectable this evening. Any recommendations?

Have some cake, there's cocaine in it. What am I on about? No… I meant… What do you call them… Raisins!

ANYWAY.

Can I say that Comic Relief censoring its Facebook was my peak du jour?

Since that's the topic of the bloody thread.

I thought Mumsnet was about debating the issues. What do you want on these boards, just people who agree with you? Just people who think it is Ok to try to shame and marginalise trans people. That is not a debate it is a disgrace.

dh wants to know if you turning up here is like Eoin McLove arriving on Craggy Island!

It is a bit, isn't it?

I think if we were shaming and marginalising transpeople you'd have a point.

Hmm. One person flings shit. Others ask them to stop. First person starts telling them they are very bad people for not welcoming the splatters of shit on themselves as a delightful fashion statement.

oh god yes Lang's right it is a daily peak trans - I'm currently enjoy rectal-prolapse-Zinnia trying to lecture DocStock about philosophy.

Oh and yet another middle aged person dumping their wife & children to be stunning & brave while living out their fetish.

A true classic, Betty. I loved the fact that it followed David Amiss around forever afterwards www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-mp-tricked-into-condemning-a-fake-drug-called-cake-has-been-put-in-charge-of-scrutinising-drugs-a6704671.html

It is offensive to call being trans a fetish. I'm so ashamed of women for saying these things.

Dragging us back to the thread, my issues with trans ideology really started when I came across the Cotton Ceiling.

When I worked long hours from a home office I tended to web surf when short of inspiration. I can't remember now how I even came across it but the Cotton Ceiling came up. I read about it with my jaw dragging on my keyboard.

I can still remember my utter outrage. Then I did some research and came across GenderTrender (which is currently down due to the actions of JY, the well known Canadian litigator).

I read obsessively for days, going WTF? WTF? again and again. I heard lesbians mourning the loss of their communities, the grief of watching butch lesbians redefine themselves as transmen. And their fury, as lesbians, that the gay community they had supported selflessly during the AIDS crisis were happy to ignore the existential crisis lesbians were currently facing.

Back in the 80s it was very hard to get care for AIDS patients and apparently many lesbians in the USA used to step in, doing what doing in the spirit of lesbian/gay solidarity. But now the lesbians are being targeted and most gay men say nothing.

I've been aware of this issue since 2012 and I'm exhausted. But I am hopeful we may have made a difference over the GRA and I've been thrilled and delighted to go to feminist meetings and meet so many of you - and others too.

Just don’t engage.

Far too much is made in the media of trans people who have changed back -- it is a teeny tiny minority.

Transfolk were a ‘teeny tiny minority’ until the media started pushing it and boosted it 4,000%.

Children - and their ‘woke’ parents - have the right to know that if they start down the transitioning route it might not be the panacea that YouTube and Mermaids are telling them that it is.

The detransitioners know that better than anyone.

Why do you deny their lived experience?

You can’t possibly know what detransitioning is like.

I don't think anyone who isn't trans can possibly speak about what is right for a trans person.

Cancer patients don’t say that about oncologists.
Cardiac patients don’t say that about cardiologists.

Patient lobby groups exist and they should be listened to for certain things - awareness for example. Patient groups are often consulted on things like design of drug delivery pumps for example to make them easier to use in daily life. The patient voice is valuable. But:

What no other patient group demands is to drive the treatment itself. the pharmacological and surgical standard of treatment is NOT set by patients - it’s set by research and evidence driven practice.

I do find that the experience of being peaked is happening with greater and greater frequency.
It's almost like the more we try to maintain our boundaries, the more audacious the demands and infringements become.
Why should a woman be forced into waxing a man's genitals?

Feminist4 your child is still young. I assume you have come on here seeking support.

Talking about suicide is an extreme call for help. It really is. And the root causes will be complex.

Go now. I know someone whose daughter committed suicide in her early 20s, and someone in DDs hall of residence died last term. Both appeared, on the surface, to be fine.

The fact that your child is reaching out to you is hugely positive. But you still need to be there.

Blaming strangers on the internet will do no good at all. People are entitled to form their own opinions and express them.Indeed one of the uniting consensus of this forum is around protecting children. Ours and other peoples.

So get yourself off the internet and look after your child. And get your child off the internet and have them start looking after themselves.

And sorry Lang Cleg. Feminist4 is clearly in a crisis. I would be beside myself if my child were threatening suicide. She should not be ignored. But equally she should not be here.

But prawn, you were brainwashed by the propaganda of gendertrender. many people don't support your fight because they don't believe in the fight or the nastiness of it and its damage to people.

It is offensive to call being trans a fetish. I'm so ashamed of women for saying these things.

Here's Tara Hewitt co-founder of TELI, trans rights advocate, NHS adviser & consultant describing to a group of NHS professionals who is included in the descriptor 'trans'.
Tara explains that trans is an umbrella term, including cross-dressing fetishistically (overwhelmingly males)

'trans people and cancer'

There's quite a lot else to say about parts of this speech that's relevent to this thread.

I don't want to see penises in women's spaces. I don't think that's unreasonable. Penises belong in men's spaces.

My daughter is being supported. These views on Mumsnet should not be here. No, I don't think you are interested in supporting other people's children if they are transgender, just about propagating your views. You don't really care at all about any trans girls or women or the damage you are doing to them - not just on Mumsnet - but in your anti-trans views.

People with penises do not belong in women's spaces.

And sorry Lang Cleg. Feminist4 is clearly in a crisis.

This person has been splattering the same abuse at FWR women since they arrived here a couple of months ago. And has had several temporary suspensions for it, I believe.

The sole purpose of posting is to make us do this - ie stop talking about the topic of the thread.

And nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

Rowantrees, I think Laniakea was referring to an article about trans women who transitioned in later life, which was in the Guardian. They are not fetishists. And Babelfish, I said in the same sentence that it should be for the experts, not mumsnetters. So yes, I refer to the people who work with transpeople. I agree with your point there. I think most of the experts, though, are in agreement with the trans community. it is the non -experts who are not.