Writing from Twitter prison!

[Glinner]

I've received a twelve-hour ban from Twitter so I thought I'd take the chance to say hello lovely mumsnetters! Thank you for all the support and kind words and very proud to be on your side.

I'm not deleting the tweets because I stand by them and there's nothing offensive about them. See for thyself, fellow witches!

My daughter has found the barriers to transitioning extremely difficult to overcome. It is extremely difficult to get the necessary 'interventions' you refer to Tallulah.

But Betty, you aren't standing up for me and my daughters. I'm ashamed of your stance, which has decided to attack another even more marginalised group in society. It's bullying.

Random internet people threatening self-harm will occur unless women comply with their demands is nothing new, I'm afraid.

It's a well-known tactic of coercive control.

Unfortunately it’s hard to get much support for any mental health issues at present.

The wait list for Adult Mental Health Services in Manchester at present is SEVEN YEARS. Even those transferring from child and adolescent services have to wait SEVEN YEARS.

This means there is no support at all for anyone between the ages of 18 and 25.

It’s utterly shit, but again, not a trans specific issue.

ArcheryAnnie, to suggest the state of my daughter's current feelings is an attempt at coercive control is absurd.

And i’m ashamed of your stance, Feminist4 - you cannot consent on behalf of other women - their boundaries are not yours to break down.

Trans people do not need psychiatric support for being trans. They need the support because of the bullying and the transphobia in our society, so they can find ways to live in that kind of society.

Feminist4. I am so sorry. Its tpugh being a parent.

First and foremost you need to protect your child. How old are they? Teenagers in particular can get quite obsessive, and the internet does not help.

The problem will not be a bunch of mums discussing child protection and equality issues. Whatever your child suggests. There is more chance that suicidal thoughts will stem from problems within a peer group or internal self esteem issues. Which in turn create problems with perspective.

Regardless you need to take any cry for help seriously. Samaritans are probably your best starting point on a Saturday night and they will be able to signpost further.

Longer term you might seek Cahms help. Or perhaps you might pick up some pointers from the teenager or mental health sections of MN. But tonight be with your child, hide their phone and turn off your internet and try to help them understand that being a teenager is tough but they are loved and valued.

There was some very good guidance written by a therapist who works with teens who consider themselves trans (am I right in thinking that your child identifies as trans?) which someone posted a couple of days ago, but cant remember which thread. I am sure someone can point you to it.

I didn’t say that trans people needed psychiatric support for being trans, I said that people suffering from suicide ideation needed mental health support.

Betty, you can't refuse consent on my behalf. I give my consent as do my other two daughters. Of course we do. My trans daughter is my daughter and a woman and their sister. Of course we will fight for her rights.

STOP REPLYING TO FEMINIST4 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Sole purpose of posting is to derail threads.

Sorry to shout.

Please ignore this person.

Yeah its about penis-having. You want to take a penis into a penis-free zone, the vulnerable vaginas have a problem with it. Dont blame the vaginas for the past actions of penises which made them fearful

Needmoresleep My daughter is 23, she has a lot of support from her girlfriend, which makes a difference, because she lives in Scotland and nowhere near me. The best support for her mental health would be for the demonisation of trans women to stop.

lang I promise I will ignore after just one more reply.

I am not refusing consent on behalf of anyone but me.

I say no.
No penises in women’s spaces. None. Not a single, solitary penis. End of.

Feel free to share mixed sex spaces with anyone you like.

If you think you have a right to consent despite my boundaries, then you don’t understand what consent actually is.

Speaking generally, F4, because I don’t wish to discuss a specific child.

Do you think the barriers to transition should be low? Transition involves drugs and surgery which sterilise and mutilate. Permanent surgical and biochemical alterations with lifelong negative physical and biochemical consequences.

I think the barrier to transition should be high. Proper, supportive, talking therapy allowing a person to explore their identity in a safe and supportive but not affirmative environment should be the first line. It should be the ONLY line available to minors. Physical/surgical/hormonal treatment should only be available to adults, after a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.
Puberty is a vital process. It’s vital for the physical development of the body (for example, half the adult bone density is laid down in those few years) and its vital for mental development as well. Questioning of one’s place and identity is part of puberty. We don’t understand yet what the consequences of stopping puberty permanently are. I personally think it’s unethical to experiment on children to find out. No child is born in the wrong body. Children need to be told that THEY are perfect just as they are - society is the issue.

So I think the barriers should be high. Again, I am speaking generally here.

My daughter is no threat to anyone. She is awaiting surgery, but will probably have to pay for it herself and can't afford it at the moment. This 'vulnerable' vaginas argument is rubbish.

About to send DH out for something delectable this evening. Any recommendations?

When I realised that support forums for DV survivors were being used by men for fun.

Mumsnet boards nearly always have some mention of a rapist and trans women in it. It appears to be one of the main arguments. I have reported countless posts which suggest trans women are potential rapists of someone's 12 year old dd.

Surely the whole point is that with Self-id anyone can claim to be a transwoman and gain access to women in hitherto single sex spaces? They don't need to be real trans, but the woman still gets attacked. Are you wilfully misunderstanding the arguments?

Ooh, thanks Blythe

I don’t really mind, as long as it isn’t a sausage. Definitely not up for a surprise sausage right now.

I recommend that everyone listen to LangCleg.

OP Sorry, I haven't heard of you before, but have wandered on to your twitter from this thread, and I like the shows of yours I have seen. Thank you for your support. (And can you get Dara to start covering this on Mock the Week?)

Vulnerable vaginas isnt rubbish, way to minimise

Dear @glinner

See what we mean? You can't even get banned from Twitter and get a thread to yourself on Mumsnet without these fucking totalitarians taking it off topic and splattering it with random abuse. Grinds my fucking gears.

Lang