Writing from Twitter prison!

[Glinner]

I've received a twelve-hour ban from Twitter so I thought I'd take the chance to say hello lovely mumsnetters! Thank you for all the support and kind words and very proud to be on your side.

I'm not deleting the tweets because I stand by them and there's nothing offensive about them. See for thyself, fellow witches!

I didn't really understand how gender could be innate but also a social construct, but I parroted all the talking points and engaged as a tra because I assumed I would eventually get it. Everyone else seemed to, after all, and who was I to turn against my fellow feminists?? But I didn't realise, even then, that when ppl said "transwomen are women" people meant it literally. I figured it out when tras went for Chimamanda and I. Was. Horrified. I stopped parroting and just remained silent for a long time. I read the opposing arguments and they made sense!! Immediately!!
I'm in Australia, 32, and not a mum but I hang here because this is one of the only places where women can actually talk for real. They cut through the nonsense that I used to spout but not understand.

I peaked when, in an LBGTIQ support group, blindsided by dd's statement that she was actually male (???!!!) the entire group immediately switched to male pronouns, called her my son, and asked what her new name was.

And I was like...hold on, this happened a few days ago, and also, I'm her mum, I know she's female, and plus, she has no history of childhood dysphoria and she's got these co-morbid conditions...

And then they told me she was probably going to cut off contact with me for being so unsupportive, was responsible for any self harm or suicide attempts due to my unsupportive attitude...and then they kicked me out.

Second peak was cotton ceiling. Leave the lesbians alone!

Oh and, sorry for double posting everyone, thank you for speaking out. I follow you on twitter and I see what's happening to you. You make sense too. You will reach the people like I used to be - parroting nonsense without understanding - with truth and solid arguments that cannot be ignored. You are dealing with people who are invested in defending this ideology, have sunk their reputation into it, and experiencing cognitive dissonance but I went through all that and I am here now.

Father Ted, Black Books, The IT Crowd and standing up for women, you are amazing!

My first proper WTF moment was Fallon Fox, someone with male stature, reach, bone density and lung capacity, fracturing a woman's skull and not getting arrested, but winning a title. Then I saw some of the comments from FF's supporters, saying Tamikka Brents deserved to have her skull fractured because she was the wrong sort of woman (lesbian who won't sleep with delusional blokes) as well as other vile homophobic comments.

At the time I thought it was a one off disaster and it wouldn't take long for sporting bodies to realise this was ludicrous, instead the men beating women at sport just keep coming.

Then I started reading about all the other stuff, rapists in women's prisons, male criminals described as women, children on hormones, destruction of safeguarding and realised the entire world has gone mad apart from MN FWR.

Thank you so much for all these answers. I think it's going to be a very useful thread for people trying to understand this stuff.

Justkeepswimming - sorry to hear about your family member. This is exactly the point.

Qualified staff who are responsible for your care, telling you that ‘black is white’ is a safeguarding issue, a form of abuse even.

How could that message not compound the mental health difficulties of a patient with psychosis. That’s before we address the other aspects of safeguarding. . .

I’m devastated about what’s happening in the NHS.

What’s led to this flagrant disregard of safeguarding.

One word.
Stonewall.

Rabidgingercat. That's horrendous. I knew generally about hospital wards but when you put it like that for psychiatric patients that's terrible. Are policies like that public? Sorry derail.

My other peak was that the genderist organisations set up to 'support' my kid, couldn't answer any of my questions, couldn't cite evidence for their claims, did a lot of head patting, there there, dear, you cis parents can't possibly understand but just be good and do what we tell you.

That was my first heads up that I was possibly dealing with a cult.

Missing you over on Twitter Glinner. Nice to see you here!

Lily Madigan elected as a 'Woman's Officer' was my wtaf moment

That was the point I left the Labour party.

Also my utter disbelief that people cannot see how self-id will be open to abuse.

The utter disbelief at people missing the fucking point. People I know and love, just not getting it.

I have cried at this situation.

I am not a transphobe.

I am against self-id. I am Pro-women.

Germaine Greer peaked me a few years ago. I have been simmering away in real life and boring everyone who will listen with my radical views . No one has ever challenged me IRL which goes to show quite how insignificant I actually am. Just joined Twitter and am gathering up all the right people to follow. Fun times ahead.

You are amazing and most welcome here. I tend to lurk here but the insanity of Comic relief and the world in general is terrifying, it seems having a voice even querying ideas is considered "hate speech".

Thank you for your wonderful creativity we are big fans here 😁

Lily Madigan elected as a 'Woman's Officer' was my wtaf moment

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This

Oh and Gabrielle Ludwig.

Male who gained a place on a women's college basketball team.

At 52 years old.

Thank you so much for all these answers. I think it's going to be a very useful thread for people trying to understand this stuff.

many people new to what's happening have found this thread useful too:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Thank you for speaking out for us.

Can’t even remember my peak moment, seems like a mountain range..but was genuinely surprised when having filled out all the forms required including age, sex etc.. my 9 year old son and myself were both asked how we ‘identified’ with regard to gender, face to face while renewing library cards?! Think my eyebrows must have hit the ceiling as I tried to translate the question so my son could answer - went with she wants to know whether you think you’re a boy or a girl..

Fresh from my MN ban - slut-shamed for being a bad woman who won't / can't stay within the guidelines and interpretations put on my words that weren't in my mind I peak transed back in 1997 when Germaine opposed the admission of a trans scholar as a fellow of women-only Newnham College. Too busy with my own life to get energised (as I was being subjected to a reign of terror and guerilla warfare over 15 years by hostile-ex for leaving him, whilst living in another country) I re-peaked at Jenner. I've inhabited the GC subreddit for many years to come up to speed and then graduated to MN.

Woman! Hello! I've missed you more than I can say.

Manderleyagain - this policy is marked as ‘available to the public’, but not published on the Trust website. So would have to be specifically requested.

I’m guessing the people who request the policy are primarily transgender individuals. Your average female patient, or their families, wouldn't even contemplate this as something they have to worry about.

Rabidginger I don't think you can put the blame solely on Stonewall. Don't get me wrong, they had a bloody huge part to play and will have some very interesting questions to answer. But if it had just been pushed from one direction it wouldn't have exploded as it has. This feels coordinated -foil hat onand when you look at the links between key players it looks even more so. Don't get me wrong, there are certainly people who are taking advantage to jump on the bandwagon in order to abuse, some who genuinely feel it fits them and a lot who haven't thought about it and feel it's just about being nice. To my mind Stonewall are actually quite a small part, although they are being used as a lynch pin and public face.

I'm sorry, I'm too tired to explain well but I think basically Stonewall is more a place to gather rather than the people who are pushing it. The message is going through them rather than from them.

There were many things but in the end I came to the issue through freedom of speech being under threat, and what's going on in academia. I was reading about various cases where people had been prosecuted, or at least brought in for questioning, for opinions they expressed or other speech. Posie Parker was one of the cases. At about the same time I had started looking into where the world of academic gender research and theory had got to in the last few years and found Kathleen stocks first essay on medium, and some frightening responses to it. I was horrified that the standard feminist take on gender and sex now seem to be verboten in the humanities. And I carried on reading from there. And I started to realise what twaw actually means politically.

@Glinner, first off, thank you.

It's been a bit lonely being a transwidow, knowing and uggghinh through all the sexy stuff, whilst the rest of the world wants to sanitise, whitewash; or to imagine that me and my kin are evil bigots whose experience can be disregarded. After all it never happens.

You don't know me, but you've done a good thing by standing up for women you don't know, believing us.

Thanks for that.

One of the most insightful discussions I've had was on the thread "Taking it out on your body" where MNetters (many of whom have been driven off here now) shared, with the benefit of hindsight, about body issues in their youth and the links between domestic and family violence, their rape(s) and sexual assault plus their experiences as younger women feeling uncomfortable with their bodies.

I literally can't believe the number of people who believe people can change sex and who can't see the predators hiding in plain sight. The gross failure of institutions set up to protect children like NSPCC and GG etc plus the constant targeting and abuse by proxy & mobbing of GC women in public and private life, who speak out about abuse, is a modern-day atrocity of global proportions - the third world war. When are we allowed to talk about predation in its many guises? Why is it such a threat to talk about those who are up to no good and who use and abuse women and children?

Binglebong. Yes, you might be right.

Much of the policy i’m referring to is lifted directly from Stonewall literature. However, the NHS is complicity for allowing a lobby group, with no expertise in mental health or safeguarding, to exert so much influence.

They are completely unquestioning. It’s staggering.

Complicit. Sigh . .