Pregnant Dad-to-be

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"I hope it's human". www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/pregnancy/expecting/108554713/pregnant-kiwi-dadtobe-getting-ready-to-welcome-first-child-around-christmas?cid=app-iPhone

Apologies for the ridiculously long link (hope it works), I'm on my phone.

Maybe it's the fact I'm 39 weeks pregnant myself but the phrase "chest-feeding" does make me feel a little ill.

Interesting that apparently in NZ Scout can be put down as the Father on the birth certificate, and since a sperm donor was used, completely eliminates the concept of "mother"

Hey spannablue thanks for popping in and sharing that info.

Another advantage children of LGB and T parents have is - Like Scout's child - they are almost always planned and very much wanted.

When you think of all the awful, abusive fathers there are in the world it really isn't so terrible that this one father in this article was born with female anatomy and birthed the child them self. In fact it shows a willingness to put the child's needs before their gender identity for the duration of the pregnancy.

You can use any name/nickname you like to identify yourself as a parent.

Mum, mumma, dad, dada, papa, sir, madam, first name, surname, mermaid, dinosaur.

No one cares how members of the family identify themselves, but telling a child they grew in and came from inside a male body is bullshit and lies. Scout's child is coming from a female body. If that female wants to be called Papa, so be it. Doesn't mean Scout's child came from a males body.

differentnameforthis yes. Obviously. Nobody is suggesting otherwise.

Kid: but you are my Papa, how did you make a female egg?

Scout: remember I told you I was born with the body of a Mummy even though I am a daddy? That's how I made the female egg

Can anyone tell me who this lie benefits? Not the child. Such bullshit: born with the body of a mummy 🤪

they are almost always planned and very much wanted. Implying that children born to heterosexual couples are not?

differentnameforthis seriously? Straight couples never have unplanned pregnancies?

Perhaps you should check some of the other boards on here, it's actually very common.

Jeze, it's you who is saying biology doesn't matter.

Another advantage children of LGB and T parents have is - Like Scout's child - they are almost always planned and very much wanted. This is what you wrote, it implies that children of heterosexual couples are not planned, nor wanted. Or do you not read what you type?

Yes, I guess more heterosexual couples have unplanned babies, because ... biology! But that doesn't mean they are any less wanted than those conceived by same sex couples, which is what you appear to be implying.

differentnameforthis it would be extremely rare for a child born to LGBT parents to be unplanned or unwanted.

Children born to straight couples are frequently unplanned or unwanted. Is it wilfully obtuse of the parents to refer to them as 'happy surprises'?

Two different concepts:

1. How reproduction works

2. That it is helpful or relevant to classify people according to male or female gender.

It is possible to believe the second and understand the first.

I do not believe in God. I don't think people who tell their children that God exists are telling their children bullshit or lies and I don't think people who honestly believe they have a gender that is different to their sex are 'lying'.

In order to lie you have to believe that what you are saying isn't true.

But do you believe humans can change sex? Yes or no?

I find it interesting you link LGB parents with trans.

As they are nothing to do with each other, why are you using LGB parents in this argument?

t would be extremely rare for a child born to LGBT parents to be unplanned or unwanted

Are we including straight couples who are “trans” because the man dresses as a woman and the woman dresses as a man...?

So what should lesbians do where the egg of one partner is implanted in the womb of the other? Who gets the title of 'mother' and who gets the pet name?

The egg donor is the bio mother. However it doesn't matter - nor is it any of my business - what lesbian parents ask their child to call them (mum, mama, mother etc), because both parents are female.

Fathers are male. Society, law, science, medicine and the media mean a male person when they refer to fathers or dads. Directing children to accept that this is not true places a huge burden upon them IMO.

Anything that obscures the material existence of sex, or implies to children that it is possible to change sex, makes me deeply uneasy. Sex matters.

Children's needs should be centred.

Humans can't change sex.

Humans can feel they were born into the wrong sex, they are therefore transgender.

Some transgender people want kids.

As a result some kids may refer to the parent who gave birth to them as 'Dad' or 'Papa'.

The world is not going to end.

Will the world end if Scout is correctly recorded as mother on the birth certificate? Will the world end if she correctly tells her child she’s the mother, instead of the father?

humans can’t change sex.

Glad you agree. No one actually believes they can.* So how can a mother become a father?

• which kind of makes me wonder why we are being asked to change our laws for something nobody actually believes, but that’s a different thread...

So, as a result of Brexit, a family member is applying for an EU27 passport on the basis that her parents were born in a mainland European country. Both parents were born there, later both taking British nationality.

In order to secure the passport, my family member has to have searches performed in the national archive to prove that her mother was born in that country. Only her mother. Not her father - the father's heritage was irrelevant.

What would Scout's baby do in that circumstance, with no mother? How would Scout's application fare? I think, not well. At best, more complex and more stressful. At worst: impossible to do.

There's a concrete example of why it's important that birth certificates are factual. You have to ask yourself: does this action I'm taking benefit the child? And if the answer is no, then the decision to do so is evidently done in self-interest, not the child's interest.

It’s of no benefit whatsoever to the child. There’s no good reason to do it at all. Apart from validating scout’s identity.

Quite so, Slowly.

It's the child's fecking birth certificate, that they will have with them for the rest of their life. It's not there for Scout's validation. It's there so that Scout's child can prove that they were born at a certain date, in a certain place, and that fact was noted by authorities.

What would Scout's baby do in that circumstance, with no mother?

It’s seems a bit strange that your father’s nationality wouldn’t count, and this policy seems to exclude adoptive parents.

However if all they are interested in is birth mother, the nature of the birth certificate evidences that whatever description is used, Scout can only be the birth mother.

It's there so that Scout's child can prove that they were born at a certain date, in a certain place, and that fact was noted by authorities.

How is that not happening?

I've now read the link after skimming the comments and just want the world to stop so I can get off.
"Yes I'm mentally ill" great time to be getting pregnant then when ill and in the middle of a degree course. And you want a hysterectomy so you're going to get rid of the very organ that is growing your child? And you can't breastfeed because you had them lopped off? Jesus fucking Christ. When will people stop supporting this craziness? Poor baby growing up with such a dysfunctional mother. I hope she gets help rather than a hysterectomy.

It’s seems a bit strange that your father’s nationality wouldn’t count, and this policy seems to exclude adoptive parents

You'd have to ask the country in question why that is, I suppose. But that's how they do it. They only asked for the mother's details. I don't know if the policy of granting passports to descendants of citizens excludes adopted people, but I suppose it might, given that when you're adopted, the link is through law and not through birth. I'd expect that nationality by descent is through physically being born to people from the country in question. I wonder if this is true, and if there have ever been any cases to try to challenge this?

But we're wandering away from the topic at hand.

PerverseConverse that comment was very insulting, many parents suffer with their mental health. It doesn't mean they should not become parents.