Pregnant Dad-to-be

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"I hope it's human". www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/pregnancy/expecting/108554713/pregnant-kiwi-dadtobe-getting-ready-to-welcome-first-child-around-christmas?cid=app-iPhone

Apologies for the ridiculously long link (hope it works), I'm on my phone.

Maybe it's the fact I'm 39 weeks pregnant myself but the phrase "chest-feeding" does make me feel a little ill.

Interesting that apparently in NZ Scout can be put down as the Father on the birth certificate, and since a sperm donor was used, completely eliminates the concept of "mother"

So cutting all the shite, this is essentially an article about a pregnant woman? No offence, but how boring!

jeze I can't see anyone "objecting"
Personally I tell my children biological facts and talk about all different types of families. I won't tell them that men can grow and give birth to babies. Will you tell your child that they have a father and two mothers?

Happy families come in all shapes and sizes, cannot see how anyone could object to these two, loving trans fathers

I'd much prefer seeing a video with teenagers instead of babies. Do you have any?

Nobody is objecting to trans people being parents.

People are saying that children who are not given accurate and truthful information about who they are and where they came from, are more likely to experience unhappiness or identity issues when they become adults.

So, regardless of how the trans parents feel about themselves, their children need truthful, accurate information. Trans parents who put their own validation first are potentially causing harm to their children.

This. Is. Not. Difficult. To. Understand.

Thinking that it’s possibly not a great idea to tell your child that their mother is their father =/= thinking that same sex parents shouldn’t be allowed. But of course transgenderism relies heavily on telling anyone who questions anything about it, or expresses any concerns at all, that they’re a massive bigot.

Exactly slowly

This newspaper seems to have a bit of a campaign going on: i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/108178948/nonbinary-finery-the-kiwis-whose-gender-doesnt-fit-in-a-neat-little-box

Nobody is objecting to trans people being parents.

Excellent. Glad we're all agreed on that.

Congratulations and best of luck to Scout and the new bambino.

Why are you linking this to lesbian families? It’s a totally different argument.

My friends have two daughters - they know that one mum grew them. There’s no issue there at all. Nothing about reality is being denied. One biological mother, two mums, one sperm donor. All dealtwith in an age appropriate truth way.

That’s completely different to denying the child has a mother at all because that is a biological impossibility. I saw a great t short the other day “I didn’t come from your rib, you came from my womb.” And that’s true for every human there has ever been. Every person has had a mother.

This child is being denied what literally every human ever born has had - a mother that existed.

Why are you linking this to lesbian families? It’s a totally different argument.

Commonly known as flailing.

Just more imaginary bigotry 🤷‍♀️

Dreadful. Poor baby. No human being on earth has two biological fathers and no biological mother. The NZ parliament should be ashamed of having made this lie possible on birth certificates.

Rather it's the legal changes which mean the child will be born with Scout listed as the Father and the elimination of the Birth Mother completely.

In the U.K. the people included on the birth certificate are at least one genetically related parent, male or female, and somebody else if they are at the registry office and/or married to the other parent.

This means that if a surrogate is used they and their partner don’t automatically become a child’s legal parents and it’s already possible to have two people of the same sex on a birth certificate.

Given that DNA tests are a recent invention, birth certificates have always allowed for a bit of ‘creativity’.

There is nothing to stop a single mum putting her best friend on the birth certificate.

Why would anyone ask adoptive parents what matters?? Ask the adopted children.

I am one. And truth matters. I was older so I knew that I had abusive bio family but my adoptive parents withholding the information I needed to get it right in my head was very damaging. Imho telling the truth is an act of love. And not doing so is an abusive thing to do. Very very telling that you’d say ask adoptive parents not the adopted child jez.

That's absolute bollocks merrymouse

www.gov.uk/register-birth/who-can-register-a-birth

This person (and that lesbian couple in the video) are lying to their children.

And I'm amazed that anyone who has a donor conceived child in the UK hasn't heard of the Donor Conception Network

Another lovely video to warm cold hearts:

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=JG0yqhzVuYA

Seriously stop being so goady. Naff off with your "cold hearts" nonsense.

Which but is wrong orchid?

Jezebel this is entirely different to gay people raising children whether bio or adopted. The non birth mother of your children is mother by legal order. She didn't give birth but she has legal parenthood much like an adopted parent.
The mother of Scout's baby has chosen to lie to the baby and call herself the baby's father. That is so different to your family that I can't even believe you're comparing them.

The people with the cold hearts are the ones who won't be straight with their children because it injures their own inner identity.

So yes, naff right off with that.

The birds and the bees matter.

Creating a work of fiction around them isn't helping anyone.

Someone who will use their pregnancy in the press in this way to push an illogical and fictional political agenda whilst avoiding antenatal groups sounds troubled to me.

Motherhood is a (biting) reality of womanhood and a test of mental capacity and endurance at the best of times. How much harder is it going to be trying to do that with no peer support whilst denying biological reality?

If this were a woman giving birth to a martian because she self ids as from Mars or a woman giving birth to a kitten because she self ids as a cat would it be applauded or raise concern?

Sorry, which bit is wrong.

The only difference with same sex couples is that if they aren’t married they need a parenthood agreement.

I did miss out a bit in my post.

a surrogate doesn’t automatically have parental responsibility assuming a genetic parent has applied for a parental order.

Yes - they need a parenthood agreement. Which isn't the same as rocking up with your best mate