Remember the video footage and news reports of a gang of women viciously assaulting a man at a tube station? Well, guess what?

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www.thesun.co.uk/news/7695635/transgender-women-assaulted-man/

It was this incident that opened my eyes to this whole subject. We watched it on the news, I said instantly "they're not women" and searched and search for reports that would correctly describe the assailants. But it was resolutely reported as 'women' but I knew my eyes hadn't deceived me. My husband didn't believe me as he only saw the hair, the heels, the dresses - it led to a very interesting conversation about the ability of women to correctly sex people and why we needed to be able to.

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It was this incident that opened my eyes to this whole subject. We watched it on the news, I said instantly "they're not women" and searched and search for reports that would correctly describe the assailants. But it was resolutely reported as 'women' but I knew my eyes hadn't deceived me. My husband didn't believe me as he only saw the hair, the heels, the dresses - it led to a very interesting conversation about the ability of women to correctly sex people and why we needed to be able to.

Oh yes, so many people on twitter (yes, mostly men I seem to remember) were saying to us tervern types that they looked like women/you can't really tell

"so-called victim"
Christ. He was kicked and stamped on. You can be a nasty piece of work and still be a victim of a crime when people decide to beat the shit out of you.

And yes, imagine if every woman who had lewd comments directed at her decided to stamp on the head of the bloke who'd done it.

On correctly sexing, my husband and I were watching The Queen's Gambit a week or so ago. One of the teachers is a transgender male. I didn't know before I watched it but as soon as I heard the voice I knew that was a male trying to sound female. Went completely over my husband's head though until I'd pointed it out. I don't know how because it was so obvious to me.

The judge disparaged the victim.

In a court of law.

Being trans seems to excuse people from all sorts of crime

I can't get over the irony that when accused of not being female, the response was to behave as stereotypical violent men.

Being provoked does not make someone the victim nor confer the right to viciously attack (en mass no less) another person.

The level of "sympathy" the judge displayed to the defendants in this case I feel is utterly irresponsible in conferring a sense of "specialness" that goes well beyond equality.

The level of "sympathy" the judge displayed to the defendants in this case I feel is utterly irresponsible in conferring a sense of "specialness" that goes well beyond equality.

Some animals are more equal than others...

Curious as to what actually sparked it, and the actual conversation that took place. I’ve been verbally called things many times in train stations but haven’t taken it upon myself to stamp on a man’s face whilst with three other male bodied men.

The picture of the guy boinking a dinosaur in a public children's park, yep going in my folder.

That one's a woman. There are pictures of her doing other things which make that depressingly clear.

Well, they are getting it precisely right in the comments. And that's not something I'd ever thought I'd say about a Daily Mail article. The main gist is - 'so I can beat people up if I wear a dress' and the fact that these will be recorded as female crimes. Amazing how much more informed the general public are on thses issues compared to a year ago.

And yes, imagine if every woman who had lewd comments directed at her decided to stamp on the head of the bloke who'd done

There would be a lot of beaten up women who had brought it on themselves. Because how many women are strong enough to overpower and beat up a man?

'It is a sign that the so-called victim realised how wrong he was by refusing to cooperate and not make any statement" according to the judge.
This an outrageous piece of nonsense. He was described as a young “Arabian” man who told them they couldn’t be women because they didn’t have fannies (I’m not going back to quote if I read it again I might explode). He MAY have been being offensive but surrounded by a drunk group of men, at 2am??? They then proceeded to beat him. I see no evidence that he realised “he was wrong”.

'However that does not excuse what you did, you went far to far in your reactions, but of course transphobic issues are particularly sensitive.

Why are they more important than any other kind of insult? When would anyone ever say that about someone calling a woman a "fat slag" or whatever?

The level of "sympathy" the judge displayed to the defendants in this case I feel is utterly irresponsible in conferring a sense of "specialness" that goes well beyond equality.

It reminds me of the judge in America sentencing trans serial killer Donna Perry for the murder of three women but commending Donna's "bravery" for being MTF trans.

Oh sorry "dignity"

Price, the presiding judge, decided it would be a good idea to thank Perry after he read the verdict.
“Ms. Perry, I’ve appreciated all the dignity you’ve shown,” the judge told the convicted serial killer, according to the Spokane newspaper.

dailycaller.com/2017/06/30/transgender-serial-killer-convicted-of-murdering-prostitutes/

This is horrific. Can the victim sue the judge?

Is this the kind of sentence that we can ask the AG to review?

@Threewheeler1 I agree. There was an episode of Long Lost Family where the long lost sister was now a quiet, frumpy, transwoman called Debbie. I think there's a particular brand of attention seeking militant transwoman called Persephone Hallelujah Sparklehorse.

I read about this current case in the Times yesterday. Some of the language used by the judge is shocking. It's almost a parody of victim blaming.

Thanks for updating, I'd been trying to find out the outcome of this some time ago. It's disgusting. I thought we women were meant to respond to abuse by being kind?

This is so disturbing. It's particularly worrying because it's a gang of people attacking one victim. If the victim had said something offensive to another man, and that man had thumped him, it's hardly excusable but it is understandable, and let's face it, it happens all the time. But for a gang like that to get the victim on the ground and to carry on kicking him - that isn't a momentary loss of temper, that's brutal and calculated.

I also wish the judge could have reflected for just one moment on this question: if these people want to be considered as women, then perhaps they should think about not engaging in characteristically male aggressive behaviour?

Is this the kind of sentence that we can ask the AG to review?

I would have thought so. I can't find the sentencing remarks, anyone got a link?

This an outrageous piece of nonsense. He was described as a young “Arabian” man who told them they couldn’t be women because they didn’t have fannies

This. He's a 19 YO lad who said something rude but factually correct. He does seem to have used a racial slur about one of the blokes while being kicked and abused by him.

There are many reasons why 19YO Arab lads might be reluctant to speak to the police. For the judge to traduce him without even hearing his side of the story is awful. To assume that he thought the beating was his fault, with no evidence of that, seems like a failure of justice.

The judes comment, 'It is a sign that the so-called victim realised how wrong he was by refusing to cooperate and not make any statement.' is appalling on two counts. He is claiming he can read the mind of someone he hasn't met, as a judge he should be concerned only with evidence.

Secondly this statement could be made about victims of domestic and sexual violence who are reluctant to report, indicating they knew they'd provoked the attack.

Considering the lower court sent the case upwards because they could only hand down a 6 month sentence, this does really need challenging. I can't find the actual court records though.

Here's the link for complaining to the Attorney General about inappropriate sentencing:

www.gov.uk/ask-crown-court-sentence-review