Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

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Here: alicenuttallbooks.wordpress.com/2018/11/04/why-i-am-a-trans-inclusive-feminist/

Enjoy!

Karen Jones, a convicted male born killer, attempted to rape a woman in a women's underwear store, and blamed her gender dysphoria for the crime.

Men are now beginning to actually blame the psychological condition for them acting 'out of character'.

I don't know if you've read many narratives of men with severe gender dysphoria, but their affinity for women is less than zero. Many of them are desperately jealous and resentful.

Not all obviously. But enough. And yes, the likes of Jane Fae, India Willoughby, Sarah Brown. Aggressive and entitled.

Or Juno Roch e. Absolutely obsessed with their vagina. Seriously, not someone you would want to share a changing room with, apart from anything else writes articles about exposing themselves in there and getting aroused.

Can I ask what you're basing that on?

The article that I posted previously. We have no data on trans people holding a GRC and their crimes so it is impossible to comment on their patterns of criminal activity, all we have is a a group of people in prison claiming to be when asked but do not hold a GRC. Also basing it partly on common sense that cubicals are pretty closed off and what you see outside of a cubical, is what you see standing outside of a toilet enterance and you Can do that without a skirt.

No one is fighting to stop transmen coming in their spaces though

Because

1. They aren’t men so women concerned about men don’t care.

2. Men don’t generally feel physically threatened by people who are biologically female.

It would be transphobic and illegal to exclude anyone because they are trans.

We are talking about excluding people because of their biological sex.

we have no data on trans people holding a GRC and their crimes so it is impossible to comment on their patterns of criminal activity

There are less than 3k of them. That's a tiny population. What material difference do you think that piece of paper would possibly make?

Ereksh I didn’t deliberately twist your words. Perhaps a vital comma was missing that lead me to read your sentence not as you intended.

So how are women supposed to tell the 'real' trans people from the likes of Karen White et al?

What is it like to be trapped in a cubicle with a predatory man outside? How does asking to see their GRC help you?

The article that I posted previously. We have no data on trans people holding a GRC and their crimes so it is impossible to comment on their patterns of criminal activity,

Whilst that's true, the only study of it of its kind, used men and women with gender dysphoria. They had the diagnosis. So they already had the criteria for a GRC. (This was in Sweden, so not exactly the same laws.)

The gender dysphoria made no difference. They conformed to male pattern criminality.

Men with AGP, it would appear, offend at higher rates than men in general, or men with gender dysphoria. But men with gender dysphoria do not suddenly offend the same rate as women.

Why would they?

The police were called to the Man Friday guys when they went for a swim at the men's pond in Hampstead iirc, so some men do care...

Not all men are entitled and predatory.

No, and the vast majority of spaces are unisex and generally sex discrimination is illegal - hooray!

That doesn’t mean that there is no need for single sex services, because inclusion also means recognising difference.

Perhaps a vital comma was missing that lead me to read your sentence not as you intended.

LOL. You're quite something. But given that you don't understand clear dictionary definitions, I'm not surprised.

The police were called to the Man Friday guys when they went for a swim at the men's pond in Hampstead iirc, so some men do care...

And a transman was asked to leave a sauna for gay men.

No one is fighting to stop transmen coming in their spaces though

Gay sauna issue the other day?

Safety is not the only concern- privacy and dignity are just as important and apply to men too.

I think the more this affects men the more they will push back.

Unfortunately the men who are entitled and predatory seem resistant to the idea of helpfully wearing badges, so the only option is to exclude adult males as a group from women's spaces.

Exactly. Why is Earlywalker rewriting history?

Not all men are entitled and predatory.

Of course they aren't, and in my experience, the ones who aren't tend to understand why some spaces are segregated by sex and are happy for that situation to continue.

seem resistant to the idea of helpfully wearing badges

IKR? Bastards. That would be a sensible solution.

Earlywalker how is someone in a female space supposed to tell the difference between a transwoman who has a GRC (a very very small number) and one who doesn't? And if you think that transwomen without GRCs should be allowed in female spaces, then what is the criteria for that? Surgery? Hormones? A dress and long hair? I know you disagree with self id so your threshold must be above that, but where is it?

Of course they aren't, and in my experience, the ones who aren't tend to understand why some spaces are segregated by sex and are happy for that situation to continue.

This. Boundary violation is a huge red flag. I don't want any male in single sex female spaces (period) but especially one who thinks women's consent doesn't matter.

in my experience, the ones who aren't tend to understand why some spaces are segregated by sex and are happy for that situation to continue.

YY. AFAIAC the ones who want in are the ones I am wary of. The ones who can’t accept that women do not consent.

Also basing it partly on common sense that cubicals are pretty closed off and what you see outside of a cubical, is what you see standing outside of a toilet enterance and you

Last week I had two kids in a double buggy - I couldn’t getcthat buggy into the cube and there’s no way I’d lock them outside - so I just went with the door open in the end cubicle

I can do that safely in a women only toilet.

Tell me how I can do that safely in a mixed sex loo? I can’t. So there are no toilets I can safely use when I’m out doing the weekly shop. So what do I do? Wear a nappy or just stay indoors?

However, trans people have made it clear they would like to be called transwoman.

Earlywalker - "transwoman" is actually considered to be an offensive term by TRAs. It has to be written "trans woman."

Maybe this is a minor nitpick but I think it gets at something deeper. You're imagining a world where the accommodations needed to make trans people happy are slight and reasonable, where it's easy to tell the difference between a legitimate trans person and a predator, and where the police take sexual assaults and sexual violations of women seriously (I had to laugh at your statement that the police would investigate if someone was flashed - where do you live, to believe that?) and in that world, we're all being quite mean to be so concerned about trans issues, it hardly affects us at all.

But in the real world, a lot of TRAs make extremely unreasonable demands and threaten violence if anyone raises concerns, an increasingly large number of men identify as trans because they are opportunistic sexual predators while trans ideology is opposed to the gatekeeping that might prevent this, and the police don't give a shit about women's safety. So in the real world there really is a cause for concern.

It seems like you keep trying to imagine this very convenient hypothetical world because you can see that these concerns matter, but you think that there's a conflict between being concerned about women's safety and caring about your friend. TRA propaganda has been very successful at convincing everyone that if you care about and want to protect women, then you hate and are opposed to trans people. But it's not the case.

This is from a transwoman who has a GRC.
Whose response to women on an Internet forum who disagree with them, was to threaten to call the police, or have women prosecuted.

The sense of entitlement and resorting to male socialisation is chilling.

Yes, I do not want men, that is those with penis's who have no intention, or reason medically, of changing gender in OUR female spaces. I fear men as predators, and when I strip off in the communal female changing room of the health club, or are even just having a pee, I do not want them around!

Yes, hypocritically, I DID use the female toilets before I completed transition,

I understand the dictionary perfectly well. I know what ‘denotes’ means.

Pushchairs in toilets is the issue you have, perhaps campaign for that? I’ve had to use disabled loos before with the buggy. Again I don’t believe a transwomen neccesarily cares if your peeing behind a pushchair or that she’s necessarily looking at you but if it’s an issue for you, I think pushchairs that can’t fit in toilets is an adequate reason to use disabled.

Transpeople cannot I use the toilets currently without a GRC as legally their not recognised as that sex. You are all arguing that you don’t know if you don’t know they have a GRC, basically saying the law means nothing as everyone will break it anyway. If that’s the case - what do you want? If any law implemented is so easily disregarded in your eyes, what do you want to happen?

Again I don’t believe a transwomen neccesarily cares if your peeing behind a pushchair or that she’s necessarily looking at you but if it’s an issue for you, I think pushchairs that can’t fit in toilets is an adequate reason to use disabled.

Interesting focus, there. Why is it whether the transwoman cares that's central? What about the fact that the woman cares - why is that your secondary thought?

Again I don’t believe a transwomen neccesarily cares if your peeing behind a pushchair or that she’s necessarily looking at you

Why is it so important what the transwoman thinks? What if the woman is just uncomfortable in that situation?