Anger as gender neutral toilets introduced at primary school without parents knowing

[MrsSnippyPants]

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/17197253.anger-as-gender-neutral-toilets-introduced-at-primary-school-without-parents-knowing/?ref=twtrec

I would be furious about this. Girls often start their periods at primary school and can take a while to get the hang of dealing with them. They absolutely need somewhere private to wash hands etc.
I thought single sex toilet provision was compulsory from age 8?

On sexual harrassment in school -

here's something from girlguiding www.girlguiding.org.uk/what-we-do/our-stories-and-news/news/end-sexual-harassment-in-our-schools/

"Our research shows that 59% of girls have experienced sexual harassment at school and 75% say anxiety about experiencing sexual harassment negatively affects their lives in some way, including making them think twice about raising their hand in class."

But that's OK TBH as according to at least 2 PP they are likely to be making it up.

I’m still wondering WTAF Stonewall think they’re doing meddling with sex based provision in the first place?

Likely that Stonewall and similar lobby groups will have more of their resources in schools following Penny Mordant's announcement:

"£2.6 million to improve lives of LGBT people
More school children will be protected from homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying following a £1 million extension to a successful programme as part of the government’s LGBT Action Plan, Minister for Women and Equalities Penny Mordaunt said today.

The money will be used to provide training for teachers on how to spot early signs of bullying and how to intervene appropriately. It will also be used to provide resources to support teachers in delivering lessons on LGBT issues to ensure all pupils feel accepted and included.

The Government Equalities Office has already delivered the anti-bullying programme in 1,200 schools in England – ahead of its March deadline – and is now inviting voluntary and charitable organisations to bid for £1 million of further grant funding to roll out the programme in more schools.

A further £1 million will also be available for organisations to improve LGBT people’s health and social care. The LGBT Survey found that at least 16% of survey respondents who accessed or tried to access healthcare services in the last year had a negative experience because of their sexual orientation, and over half of those surveyed who accessed or tried to access mental health services said they had to wait too long.

Minister for Women and Equalities Penny Mordaunt said:

“Everyone in this country should feel safe and happy to be who they are, to love who they love, and to live their lives without judgement or fear.

“That’s why this government is stepping up its work to tackle bullying in schools, to protect more children and to stop hatred from festering and growing into discrimination in adulthood.

“The aim of our Action Plan is that everyone can live safe, happy and healthy lives where they can be themselves without fear of discrimination.”

Today, Ms Mordaunt also announced:

A new fund of £600,000 will also be available to local community groups, through a new LGBT Sector and Community Development Scheme to help them engage LGBT people in their area. Alongside this, these organisations will receive training and development to help them grow, mature and become more sustainable over time.

An LGBT Advisory Panel to advise the Government on policy, act as a sounding board, and provide evidence on the experiences of LGBT people. Stonewall, the LGBT Consortium and the LGBT Foundation have already been appointed to the panel given their longstanding, wide-ranging work on LGBT equality. A further nine members will be recruited through an open process that launches this week."

www.gov.uk/government/news/26-million-to-improve-lives-of-lgbt-people?utm_source=03f603e5-77c1-48a3-9a28-b1ceb2f12ff6&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=daily

I agree that boys are unlikely to want girls in their spaces either you won't get any argument from me there.

The idea of making a shy boy disrobe in front of a bunch of female peers is horrible.

The danger isn't quite the same as the other way around though.

As the school believes that having separate sex facilities is "segregation" and BAD presumably this will be coming to pass as well.

My brother used to piss everywhere incidentally and I've known other men who did that.

It's not unusual I don't think? IME

The RSE (Relationships and Sex Education) Government consultation gives everyone the chance to air their views on what is taught to primary and secondary age children on the subject of sex and relationships

Deadline is Nov 7th

www.transgendertrend.com/rse-government-consultation/

Depends where the sinks are

I'd be furious and would probably move school.

I have never said that all girls are likely to be making it up. But it does happen and boys can also falsely accuse too.

Until someone you are close to has been maliciously accused of something then you have no knowledge. And yes it was fully investigated and the accuser was warned by the police and social services involved. (Not a girl actually but could have been)

No system is perfect but my son and daughter would not be happy with mixed sex facilities.

"But it does happen and boys can also falsely accuse too. "

Are boys not using same sex toilets at school as well then?

This is really bad.

Who is telling young boys (8-13 middle school you say) boys that they are likely to be falsely accused of sex crimes if they are alone in a toilet with another srudent? False accustions are very rare. Who is feeding such young boys these ideas?

My autistic son was falsely accused of something by another child. It happened at home not school though and it was actually the other child did something to him not the other way around.

It’s unlikely he will ever trust anyone to be in any kind of relationship ever again.

He now actively avoids any situation where he could be vulnerable.

So you are saying that boys at school are commonly not using toilets for fear of false accusations of sex offences, and give an example where a boy falsely accused another boy at a secondary school.

This seems to be unlrealted to the issue at hand.

The issue at hand is OPPOSITE sex students in a primary school having to share facilities.

I am not sure why false accusations of sex offences are being raised on this thread at all TBH. Seems like there's nowhere concern about malicious girls can't creep in though eh.

And it happened at home.

I'm sorry for what happened to your son but I don't understand what it has to do with the thread TBH.

I raised the point to show that both boys and girls are not happy about mixed sex toilets for their own reasons.

Boys have penises therefore are by default the only sex that can do certain things. It makes girls more vulnerable to assault and boys more vulnerable to accusations. Girls can do less serious things of course but could never rape or be accused of rape.

Girls have periods and most would not want to be in the vicinity of boys whilst dealing with them.

It’s just a bad idea full stop.

My son is autistic too Alexander. He has never liked school toilets though. He was happy to go with me into the women's toilets up to the age of 10, but then I always asked if it was okay if my son came in because he was with me. No one minded. And he was happy with that arrangement too. It happened twice.

And his school just updated their transgender policy to state that trans kids are allowed to use whichever facilities they identify with.

I’d better stop as I’m not supposed to talk about it.

I blame it all on encouraging little boys to play fairies, dollies and dress up.
Nobody knows where they are, we are all the same now, so we can pee in the same toilet.

Don't be silly Romany.

Aleaxnder, agree very much with your last posts.

Have you talked to the school (preumably yes) he has protected characterositc of disabbility so they need to accomodate his needs.

There are at least 3 other protected characteristics that are being trampled on / cast aside by one.

It would be fascinating to see if it wasn't so awful.

Stupid thing is when it all happened school told him to avoid being in private spaces (such as the music practice room) for his own protection.

I only found out about the new trans policy last week. He’s bi.

It’s just a bad idea full stop.

This ^^

WPUK article:
womansplaceuk.org/gender-neutral-toilets-dont-work-for-women-2/

Gosh. 14-17 years ago I dressed both my two in lovely shades of lemon, mint green, pale blue and lilac along with deeper colours like red and navy blue (dd really suited red and blue).

All the blue baby clothing had spaceships and dinosaurs on them, all the pink clothes had hearts, lips, and kittens

interesting article about girls' & boys' clothes and predators & prey:
'Animals, aggression and entitlement: Boys' clothes on the High Street'
(extract)
"The animals for boys were much more likely to be wild, and to be predators - the girls’ animals were conversely likely to be domesticated and prey animals.

Just process that for a moment.

The boys have predators on their clothes, the girls have prey.

Children of all genders are trying to work out the world around them, and fighting and physical expressions of feelings are a part of childhood. Many kids go through a phase of growling or roaring to express their frustrations - when your vocabulary is limited, it’s perhaps understandable that a bit of roaring and teeth baring might come into play.

The subtle and not so subtle messages given here however, are that the boys can express anger and aggression without control and that the girls never can. And deeper, perhaps the boys are entitled to chase, harrass, overpower the girls - that’s just nature." (cont)

sonshinemagazine.com/magazine/animals-aggression-and-entitlement

"The boys have predators on their clothes, the girls have prey."

Yes I read that article.

Once you realise that it's all over the place. The message that gives is (obvo=iously) appalling and is endorsed by society..