Are kids on blockers a-sexual as adults?

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Can anyone help me work this one through?

I've been realising with horror that if a kids takes blockers before puberty, then goes on to hormones and surgery, then they'll not only be sterile but likely end up incapable of sexual function. They'll be asexual as an adult.

Jazz Jennings, for example, has been open about not having ever had an orgasm at 18 and that their penis never matured into an adults penis, so Jazz's neo-vagina was created out of their child's penis and part of the colon IIRC.

Am I right in thinking all boys who take blockers before puberty kicks in will be incapable of sexual desire or adult sexual function when they grow up if they never have a male puberty?

Then what about girls who take blockers before puberty? I understand testosterone can enlarge the clitoris but also causes the vagina to atrophy. Can girls who go onto blockers before puberty then onto T expect any kind of functional sex life as an adult?

I haven't seen this discussed much, but I think it's important as I suspect many parents / teachers / professionals advocating acceptance of transing children aren't aware of this.

Also, do blockers stop children developing into adults with sexual desire?

Are we creating a generation of asexual adults who have no comprehension of what they're missing?

There is something very creepy and disturbing about adults having such sway over the future appearance and function of a child’s sex organs.

Their bodies do not remain pre-pubescent because they take cross-sex hormones. So males will develop breasts and softer skin, and females will develop facial hair and coarser skin. But their proportions will never be quite right for the sex that they are trying to present as.

The genitals will probably remain prepubescent, though testosterone may make the clitoris a little larger.

We know what happens when prepubescent boys are physically castrated because of historical records of the castrati. They no longer had testosterone, so did not go through puberty. What we do not know is what happens when boys are chemically castrated, and then given cross-sex hormones.

Or girls, either.

Their bodies do not remain pre-pubescent because they take cross-sex hormones

I'd argue that they do. As far as I know it is not possible to go through the puberty of the opposite sex. I think what you describe is more the side -effects of a massive hormone imbalance, than on puberty?

Given the radical and life changing nature of the surgery, some people might wonder why you would rush to do it on a “ child” of 16-17 instead of waiting until they are 18-19 and legally an adult.

Given the radical and life changing nature of all the treatment (blockers, cross-sex hormones, surgery), why would you rush to do any of it to a child, instead of waiting until they are adults who are mature enough to make a properly informed decision, with a full understanding of all the consequences?

I agree. There is nothing known about whether the brain matured as it should with puberty.

I strongly feel that none of this treatment should be done on under 25s.
Let brains mature and someone then make an adult choice. Why anyone would be behind removing the breasts of a young girl, or freezing a boy’s penis in its pre pubescent state is absolutely behind me. It is horrifying that this can be done to children.
Why is there not a focus on helping a child or young person come to terms with the sexed body they have, in all its healthy glory ? Why this push to destroy the body they have ? (while adult men seem very keen on keeping their penises) ?

why would you rush to do any of it to a child, instead of waiting until they are adults who are mature enough to make a properly informed decision, with a full understanding of all the consequences?

Because pre-pubescent girls and boys look similar so people have the impression that you can transition more easily from being a pre-pubescent girl or boy to the opposite sex?

Because pre-pubescent girls and boys look similar so people have the impression that you can transition more easily from being a pre-pubescent girl or boy to the opposite sex?

Except you can't change sex. The people pushing for this know this, but do all the children who are being experimented on?

tsAllGoingToBeFine yes, I agree. Yet they no longer have a child's body, so they aren't prepubescent, either.

I think people do it to children because of (a) the suicide lies, and (b) the fear that going through puberty will be excessively traumatising for them. For males there's also the fact that the appearance of prepubescent skin is closer to that of female skin, so the transition will be more realistic. Plus a boyish body is easier to disguise than a mannish body.

t.co/aBrjhoLfrH?amp=1

A transsexual, Renee Jax, advocating against hormonal/medical interventions for teenagers. Including, at the end, describing the health impacts of 40 years of taking strong hormones. Very moving.

And Prof Stock on the subject. mobile.twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1059382989107462144
with others tweeting additional health concerns around the impact of puberty blockers and hormones on bones, hearts, brains and other organs.

I'd argue that they do. As far as I know it is not possible to go through the puberty of the opposite sex. I think what you describe is more the side -effects of a massive hormone imbalance, than on puberty?

I’d say that was the case. We don’t know the details and long (or even mid) term consequences of doing so because up until the 1990s when the Dutch team started the experimental procedure, the idea of doing this to a child would have been unthinkable. These children are guinea pigs. It’s grossly unethical

I posted this on the WPWTH thread but bears repeating: https://mobile.twitter.com/4th_WaveNow/status/1059483829088309248

WPATH is the world trans health forum and this is a presentation about fertility in trans youth. Two things: 1) the medics know but don't care and 2) they think that children should not be forced to think about future fertility because they're too young to think about stuff like that.

Somehow, they're not too young to destroy their future fertility or chop their breasts off. Not entirely sure how that works 

I do often wonder how much of this on the medical side is driven by an awful curiosity. A large part of science is driven by people asking ‘I wonder whatd happen if...’

Most of not all scientists have had that thought - but about stuff like;

I wonder what’dchappen if we used both these chemotherapy drugs together?

I wonder what’d happen if I changed the pH of this?

I wonder what’d happen if I changed the following parameters in my computer model..?

Most scientists have a decent moral compass - they know there are limits and that even if you can, it doesn’t mean you should.

I have nothing but contempt for people using children’s bodies like this. I hope one day they will face what they’ve done in a court of law.

I strongly feel that none of this treatment should be done on under 25s.

Me too.

For males there's also the fact that the appearance of prepubescent skin is closer to that of female skin, so the transition will be more realistic. Plus a boyish body is easier to disguise than a mannish body.

Which all seems like avoiding puberty for cosmetic reasons.