Are kids on blockers a-sexual as adults?

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Can anyone help me work this one through?

I've been realising with horror that if a kids takes blockers before puberty, then goes on to hormones and surgery, then they'll not only be sterile but likely end up incapable of sexual function. They'll be asexual as an adult.

Jazz Jennings, for example, has been open about not having ever had an orgasm at 18 and that their penis never matured into an adults penis, so Jazz's neo-vagina was created out of their child's penis and part of the colon IIRC.

Am I right in thinking all boys who take blockers before puberty kicks in will be incapable of sexual desire or adult sexual function when they grow up if they never have a male puberty?

Then what about girls who take blockers before puberty? I understand testosterone can enlarge the clitoris but also causes the vagina to atrophy. Can girls who go onto blockers before puberty then onto T expect any kind of functional sex life as an adult?

I haven't seen this discussed much, but I think it's important as I suspect many parents / teachers / professionals advocating acceptance of transing children aren't aware of this.

Also, do blockers stop children developing into adults with sexual desire?

Are we creating a generation of asexual adults who have no comprehension of what they're missing?

It's not worth engaging on Twitter with people who compare dental hygiene to chemical castration is it?

It's quite a long thread sirvix with lots of attached photos. Can it be viewed if you log out?

But presumably someone, somewhere, first signed off on the use of puberty blockers for these purposes, and must have felt that the results were fairly benign. Surely?

Nope.

The bodies that approve drugs for various indications have not done this.

The fda and similar bodies (mrha in the uk) need data and evidence that fits certain criteria before they will do this, even if a drug has decades of use and safety data for another indication. That, basically, is what clinical trials are for,

An individual doctor can of course prescribe whatever they want for whatever they want. But they remain responsible for that prescription

Now a lot of drugs are used off label. And if there’s a long history of safe use for a certain condition then a doc can be sure they won’t be sued if they prescribe. Or if the ‘standard of care’ is set that the drug is used.

Now, the big push by tra activists to normalise blocker usage and to change the standard of care from watchful waiting and support to drug and surgery treatment- makes more sense now doesn’t it?

As does the campaign to remove GD as a mental illness...

Oh I don’t know, if it doesn’t work when logged out, I’ll try from huband’s computer later. I thought you had to log in to view twitter at all , so I’ve obviousy got that wrong.

There was a thread the other day with Mary Beard, and I was blocked by the person she was talking to, who appeared to be a fellow historian, , Mary was tweeting support that “i do hope this won’t be the end of your career “ so that was really odd. She is Dr Ellie Mackin Roberts , any ideas why she would be blocking a random person ? I am on the Madigan block list.

Probably the blocklist. I've just looked at that account. She's a woman (definitely, tweeting about endometriosis treatment) but bio says she/her and describes herself as an intersectional feminist. She seems to have taken umbrage at a throwaway remark of Mary Beard's suggesting that a male historical figure needed a Wikipedia page. Dr R seems to have assumed that Prof B was instructing young female academics to do it and on this slender evidence said she would never read Prof B's work. Odd behaviour from an aspiring academic in the same field, but there we are.

Who is mimmymum? She seems to give lots of info on that stuff being reversible / harmless etc??

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/882001269086453760?lang=en

She is a 100% true believer in the gender identity ideology and seems willing to condone all kinds of worrying behaviour if it supports the ideology.

gdworkinggroup.org/2018/10/24/the-gender-identity-phantom/

This doctor in link above has a very good article on puberty blockers
Actuall6 shit scary tbh

. They are then causing damaging effects to the body by high-dose cross sex hormones. They are preparing for the future sterilization of children before they have reached the age of consent or can even understand what such a decision will mean. They are in many cases permanently altering and even eliminating the children’s natural function of their sex organs. Additionally, adolescent girls as young as 13 have had healthy breast tissue utterly destroyed by needless mastectomies [25]. The lead researcher of this unethical endeavor, Johanna Olson-Kennedy, flippantly stated: “If you want breasts at a later point in life you can go and get them.”[26,27]. No, functioning breasts cannot be gotten later. What legitimate medical society endorses such nonsense?

And so we have this most extreme treatment method called affirmative therapy. This is a prescription based exactly on what diagnosis and supported by which test or tests? What is the confirmation of the condition? What is the condition exactly? The AAP paper states very plainly that “these terms [such as gender identity and transgender”] are not diagnoses; rather they are personal and often dynamic ways of describing one’s own gender experience” [28]. And so it’s no longer gender dysphoria being diagnosed. (Though the condition is acknowledged as happening and blamed more on the parent, home and school environments). No, it would appear that the most radical of treatments to the human body with exceedingly powerful hormones and permanently disfiguring and risky surgeries are done because of the child/adolescent’s self-identification — effectively a self diagnosis.

Regarding the Twitterer who I shall not name, who constantly promotes puberty blockers on Twitter, this is what her FTM child wrote on thestudentroom, regarding mum's thoughts on puberty blockers (child is the one replying, their username is not visible)

Regardless of what she might say about how safe these drugs are, she either secretly doesn't believe it, or she was using the withholding of medication as a threat, neither of which are exactly good optics....

Also she's being a bit thick if she's comparing girls taking oestrogen, a hormone produced in their bodies naturally, for acne, with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists, which STOP the natural production of oestrogen & testosterone.

I thought you had to log in to view twitter at all

To view tweets or accounts you're blocked from seeing, simply open an incognito window in your browser and paste the URL across.

www.gov.uk/government/news/keep-antibiotics-working-campaign-returns

Plus of course everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the medical world is terrified at the thought of antibiotics no longer working and we won't be able to have surgeries for anything without huge risks.

So to be giving young people unnecessary surgeries which may then lead to further unnecessary surgeries on healthy bodies seems completely ridiculous.

littlbrowndog nice link, thank you for sharing.

I did snort wryly at her comparison with off-label use of the contraceptive pill for acne treatment. DD had a pretty severe depressive reaction to the Pill which took a while to diagnose.

Add in all the other side effects (including risk of dvt) which we were all schooled in when we started taking the pill as teenagers.

For me, in 1976, there wasn't another option as reliable - but this is why other options have been developed since then. It's still a fact that long-term use of the pill carries health risks.

If almost all children who are put on puberty blockers then go on to take cross-sex hormones, what happens to the ones that don't? I can't believe anyone can then go through puberty in their late teens, can they?

Thanks for the info. Still baffled at that woman blocking me. I don’t understand why anyone intelligent enough to be an academic, would block people they have never engaged with, merely for the possibility that they might politely state an opposing view . How mentally fragile do you have to be to do that ? Bizarre.

I’ve also wondered if any children stop blockers without taking hormones. I would imagine there is an age window for puberty ?

I don’t understand why anyone intelligent enough to be an academic, would block people they have never engaged with

If you browse their tweets with your browser set to private/incognito, you'll find plenty of this kind of thing:

Including trans women in feminism is a no-brainer because everyone is welcome in feminism.

Children on blockers don't get the brain development that comes with puberty, nor the learning experiences, so they never have the opportunity to change their minds. Puberty and growing up are a time of constant changes that a medicalised trans child misses out on. They are always further and further behind their peers. They continue to be pre-pubertal, with no support exploring their lived reality, only affirmation of their confused state. Why would they change it?

Mumsnet, every possible angle for transphobia! How unsurprising. Who cares if people don't want to have sex?

Who cares if people don't want to have sex?

Trans-lesbians care very deeply if lesbians don’t want to have sex - with them.

Exactly. That Shaun Fey chap had the cheek to say something like “Who cares if you don’t like my genitals” or something - bit of a joke when the cheating cyclist guy tells women to just cope with ladycocks 🙄