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Peak GC Moment?

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CantUnderstandNoThing · 31/10/2018 07:07

I've namechanged for this because I'm a bit nervous of the vitriol I have seen directed at others with a differing opinion.

I know there's been a few threads with people sharing the moments they hit "peak trans", often citing individuals (Karen, Lily etc) or moments that led them to their GC beliefs.

I've realised I've hit peak GC, or perhaps peak t--f would be more appropriate, and I was wondering if anyone else has? For me, the peaking moment was the interview with India and Posie. I felt very uncomfortable with how offensive and discriminatory Posie's argument was. And really, it just came across as hateful. I realised I didn't want to be aligned with that.

The issues of violence towards women, safe spaces and the issues in women's sport are obviously very important and absolutely need discussion but the current angle of "women don't have penises" isn't helping that at all (imo obviously).

Anyone else feel the same? Or starting to feel the same?

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AdultHumanFemale · 31/10/2018 09:12

Just to say, I was tapping away at my response here at 07:09 this morning, when no one else had responded. Half term morning came in the way, and I now notice that the thread has massively moved on -sorry if my post appears incongruous with the general flow of the thread since it started.

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CantUnderstandNoThing · 31/10/2018 09:14

I come from a background of being a staunch trans ally with a close trans relative of whom I feel strongly protective.

I have the same background, although not a relative but a friend, so it was interesting to read your take on it. You're right of course that the India/Posie interview was framed in a particular way.

You also mentioned PeachYoghurt. There is one video of hers in particular that has her singing over the top of a trans blogger that I actually couldn't watch. It seemed like just pure bullying. That's not to say I agree with the trans bloggers view, just that the way PeachYoghurt responded to it made me uncomfortable.

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kesstrel · 31/10/2018 09:14

There is really no need to post on a feminism board that you're no longer a feminist.

Complete misrepresentation of what the OP said. This is the kind of thing that (used to) make so many Mumsnetters view FWR as a hostile place to be avoided. The fact that this thread has generated so many good, interesting responses surely shows that we should be open to genuine people posting things we may disagree with, without policing them.

Keep posting, OP.

SarahCarer · 31/10/2018 09:15

PurpleOva I totally agree about pronouns. The constant categorisation of people by sex when their sex is totally irrelevant is part of gender.

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CantUnderstandNoThing · 31/10/2018 09:16

*But you think Posie should be nicer and India's got a point.

Ok then.*

So does that make me not a feminist? Is that what you're implying? If you could point me to the official rules of feminism that'd be great so I can toe the "party line". FFS.

I am a feminist.

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Gncq · 31/10/2018 09:17

That Peach Yogurt one you mentioned was it mocking Riley J Dennis?
If so, it needs to be done. This person is making a daily mockery pFTsjfleb eomanhood including describing themself as a lesbian and including claiming it was very hard to grow up (as a boy attracted to women) because everyone expected him to be attracted to boys...

Cruel to be kind imo.

Jezebelz · 31/10/2018 09:18

You're not alone OP.

I used to be GC and was very much of the opinion you are born into one sex or the other and should just make the best of it.

The things that made me peak GC were:

  • The London Pride Protests
  • Watching videos of WPUK meetings
  • Magdalen Burns
  • Hateful stickers in toilets at Pride
  • Posie Parker on This Morning
  • An appreciation that just because I feel a certain way it doesn't mean I should lack empathy for those who feel differently
hackmum · 31/10/2018 09:18

I’d like to remind people of an article from the Telegraph that has been posted here a few times (am on my phone and haven’t got the link to hand) about how in the 70s the paedophile information exchange persuaded the left that removing the age of consent was a progressive cause. The only group to protest at PIE gatherings was the National Front - an extreme right-wing, racist political party. In other words, opposing paedophilia meant siding with fascists.

Who has the courage to do the right thing, even when it means having some unsavoury bedfellows?

Gncq · 31/10/2018 09:19

This Posie interview has come back to me now. The one with her, Eomonn Holmes and that other female presenter, and India.

All three of them laying into Posie and siding with TWAW. At one point EH asked "Are you proud to be transphobic?".

I came away from watching feeling very uncomfortable and upset indeed but it wasn't from anything Posie had said. She was in the defensive immediately. It was horrible.

kesstrel · 31/10/2018 09:19

Excellent point, Hackmum.

Gncq · 31/10/2018 09:21

People don't go from being supportive of the GC position to being against it. Anyone claiming this is a liar.

Rebecca36 · 31/10/2018 09:21

Prompted by this thread, I just watched the Parker/Willoughby interview on This Morning with Eamonn and Ruth Holmes.

I think Posie handled it all very well indeed. She spoke the truth. Eamonn and Ruth had to guide the interview of course and ask pertinent questions but Posie Parker was concise, honest, to the point and very nice. She could easily have lost her composure but she didn't.

We need more people like her.

(Must admit I'd never heard of India Willoughby before but now looked her up and know what she does, also that she was in Celebrity Big Brother which I don't watch and was, apparently, horrible on there and the first to be voted off.)

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CantUnderstandNoThing · 31/10/2018 09:22

I'm not familiar with the telegraph article, I'll have a google. Thanks.

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LangCleg · 31/10/2018 09:23

JAQing to sticking up for Riley Dennis in five pages!

Colour me shocked.

Jezebelz · 31/10/2018 09:24

hackmum there are absolutely no comparisons between being transgender and being a paedophile.

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CantUnderstandNoThing · 31/10/2018 09:24

People don't go from being supportive of the GC position to being against it. Anyone claiming this is a liar.

This is getting ridiculous. I'm not saying women should be called womyn or cervix havers, or that women only spaces are wrong, or whatever other terrible ideas have been suggested. I'm just saying I have concerns.

I've been told I'm not a feminist, I'm a liar. I'm actually getting upset now. Might step back for a bit.

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CantUnderstandNoThing · 31/10/2018 09:25

JAQing to sticking up for Riley Dennis in five pages!

Is this some kind of joke? Right here:

That's not to say I agree with the trans bloggers view

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CantUnderstandNoThing · 31/10/2018 09:26

hackmum there are absolutely no comparisons between being transgender and being a paedophile.

I don't think hackmum was suggesting that for one moment.

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SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 31/10/2018 09:28

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hackmum · 31/10/2018 09:30

Jezebelz. I think you need to understand how analogies work.

TwistedStitch · 31/10/2018 09:30

Riley J Dennis says sexual preferences are transphobic. Speaking over the top of them seems entirely appropriate to me. I'm really struggling to believe that an actual feminist would be more upset at Peachy in that instance than the rapey nonsense spouted by RJD.

Jezebelz · 31/10/2018 09:31

CantUnderstandNoThing and hackmum why mention the paedophile information exchange? It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion or transgender rights.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 31/10/2018 09:33

I have disagreed with several things poise has said.
I don’t like the Christmas cards, frankly it’s beneath her. It’s certainly beneath me, I’d never purchase them... but I have the sweater and the t shirt and I leaflet and contribute to her campaign financially.

I don’t think you’re being honest op.

Gncq · 31/10/2018 09:34

Cantunderstandnothing
My "liar" comment wasn't directed at you!
Huge apologies it was a bit harsh, but a post upthread was a bit iffy imo please don't take it personally. I don't think you are whatever you have interpreted.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 31/10/2018 09:34

I get where you're coming from OP. I do think that in countering the trans ideology being promulgated, sometimes the GC 'side' can push back too far. The tone of the arguments can look a bit like bullying, and needlessly hurtful. It doesn't help the GC argument when it looks like people are just being nasty.