Peak GC Moment?

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I've namechanged for this because I'm a bit nervous of the vitriol I have seen directed at others with a differing opinion.

I know there's been a few threads with people sharing the moments they hit "peak trans", often citing individuals (Karen, Lily etc) or moments that led them to their GC beliefs.

I've realised I've hit peak GC, or perhaps peak t--f would be more appropriate, and I was wondering if anyone else has? For me, the peaking moment was the interview with India and Posie. I felt very uncomfortable with how offensive and discriminatory Posie's argument was. And really, it just came across as hateful. I realised I didn't want to be aligned with that.

The issues of violence towards women, safe spaces and the issues in women's sport are obviously very important and absolutely need discussion but the current angle of "women don't have penises" isn't helping that at all (imo obviously).

Anyone else feel the same? Or starting to feel the same?

But sadly this doesn't really work either in many cases and therefore they are still 'other' as they don't properly fit in the group to which they want to belong.

I agree, but for some reason this 'other' seems to be seen as less odd when it conforms to stereotypes of the chosen gender. At least in the last few decades.

It would be nice if diversity could be celebrated and recognised, rather than to try and stick to dicotomous labels.

On a side note, regarding pronouns, in Portuguese, "character" (as in theatre) is female ("a personagem"). Like "la victime" earlier mentioned in French (which is also female in Portuguese).
However, many people are reluctant to use it as female for men and say "o personagem" (mainly in Brazil).
It's as if maleness can't be associated with a feminine word.

Disrespectful I remember that Mark Twain rant! Called something like "On the Awful German Language", wasn't it? I absolutely adored his work when in my early teens, read it all. Amazing man. But yes, that example is even more bizarre!

However, many people are reluctant to use it as female for men and say "o personagem" (mainly in Brazil).

YY noticed that too!

Another potential peak GC moment might start with what's happening in the US - or something like this piece
(The piece is not abusive to anyone, it's a mother of a trans child in the US writing about her anxieties.)

Thanks for that Reanimated, but I only got as far as

"If it’s problematic for Ella, or for other trans folx, "

before I stopped reading.

I can't imagine it improves beyond that.

ReanimatedSGB Stories like Ella's make me more determined to promote a gender critical message. There needs to be a better acceptance of gender variance that doesn't lead children into medically supported self harm. Gender ideology creates transgenderism with all the associated harm.

I had a look at the article and let's just say it's very American, very "mememe" and includes this gem,
Right now, the Trump Administration and the GOP leaders and elected officials want to erase transgender people

How sad that yet another parent of a 'trans' child seems to think that following the 'wrong' stereotypes means there is something wrong with the childs body..that that makes them trans Does come across as very memememe when if anything, it should be about the child. And as I said, as almost always its 'liked wearing dresses' and such. No, that doesn't make a child trans anymore than liking crawling on hands and knees makes them a dog.

Preferred dresses. Tried to wear pretend wigs. Therefore really a girl. By aged five.

FIVE fgs.

We followed her lead, and at five, when she asked us to call her a girl, we did.

Words fail me.

I appreciate that the situation with regard to trans people is different in the US to the UK, of course.

I don't know how different it is ReanimatedSGB but I know that my dd chose everything from the 'boy box' when she was 5 and that I had a choice over how I interpreted and responded to this and how I helped her interpret her own differences from other girls. I am still continually trying to protect her from sexist stereotypes which cause dysphoria. I have had to explain to the school that I will be withdrawing her when they cover the sexist theory of transgenderism in PSHE. I know they have labelled me a bigot but I will do everything in my power to protect her from the extreme self harm that is transgenderism

For now she accepts that there is no such thing as a boy brain or a girl brain, that a brain is a brain and this has literally resolved what was emerging as GID. Her choices are her choices and they are all great and valid. She doesn't need an 'out of the box' identity to validate who she is. Basing your personal identity in the perceptions of others makes others responsible for defining who you are. It is dangerous and if started young could even create a personality disorder.

My sons nursery last year asked if I thought my child was trans Because when playing dress up he always went for princess dresses. He does the same at home, oddly when picking stuff he gravitates towards dinosaurs, woody and such, but once we have them home he tend to swap with his sister! Honestly, he was 4 at the time, trans because he preferred feminine stuff. Absolutely bonkers. The other parents found it ludicrous too, and then a few months later it transpired Mermaids were coming into the school. Everyone bar 4 kids were pulled out of that, after I explained to the other parents quite what Mermaids are and what they promote. In the end the talk did not go ahead at all.

All my children have gone through a cross-dressing phase at some point. I've just allowed them to have full access to any toy they wanted to play with any outfit they wanted to dress up as and made no issue about any of it. They can explore the world around them to their hearts content under my watch.

None of them have ever expressed any confusion about their physical body because I've never drawn any attention to it. Just let kids be kids and explore the world around them without making everything a massive issue.

I think it is worth acknowedging that sooner or later the vast majority of children end up kind of 'imprinting' onto people of their own sex, copying, modelling, internalising the expectations that they see others have of that sex. But not all do. Some are immune to it all and others imprint onto the opposite sex. The social isolation these children often experience as a result can be really tough and it is so important for parents to help those children develop and establish their own independent identities, celebrating their clothing and activity choices and helping them navigate this difficult stage of life without succombing to the idea that there is anything remotely wrong with anything other than society. The child will think it is them. Children almost always do when they're isolated.

the current angle of "women don't have penises" isn't helping that at all
I do think that this is (in part at least) an exercise in controlling the truth. I think that explains the funding behind and success of this ideology. The drive to compel women to accept something that is absolutely and obviously untrue is beyond chilling. To quote Orwell: 'Nazi theory indeed specifically denies that such a thing as ‘the truth’ exists. There is, for instance, no such thing as ‘Science’. There is only ‘German Science’, ‘Jewish Science’, etc. The implied objective of this line of thought is a nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls not only the future but the past. If the Leader says of such and such an event, ‘It never happened’ — well, it never happened. If he says that two and two are five — well, two and two are five. This prospect frightens me much more than bombs — and after our experiences of the last few years that is not a frivolous statement.'

Reanimated I don’t particularly see how that mothers experience is different to any other parent’s; we all have our own particular concerns about the prejudices & challenges our children will face as they grow up, whether that is young black men & gang culture in cities or girls and self-harm, discrimination & sexism, or gender non-conforming children & judgement from traditional, stereotypical society. She has chosen to label her child transgender, and is also buying into statistics related to the risks supposedly associated with that label of murder & suicide.
I do not agree with the state trying to rigidly define gender identity & restrict personal expression (and rights against discrimination, workplace opportunities etc) but her trying to guilt trip me into believing her son is a girl just because Ella is a lovely child who is happy & glowing does not wash. I have many fears about my daughter’s future, and the fact she might lose the protections & rights of the female sex, let alone the ability to actually identify as someone of a female sex group, is a big part of that.
In short, the woman seems nice & writes well, Ella sounds nice, but it doesn’t change my principles.

Honestly, other than Reanimated who's made her position as pro-TRA clear many times, most of the "peakGC" comments seem to come down to "I observed a woman not being as soft and kind and understanding as I have been socialized to expect women to be, and that makes me uncomfortable".

Conveniently enough there's a thread about that very issue that's still active right now...

Why can’t men fight the same way, and brave what women did, for the right to dress as females and do supposedly female things and yet remain rooted in the material reality that one cannot change sex?

Is it that they are less courageous...?

It comes back to the GG quote that we have no idea how much men hate us.

Feminists fought for equality. From a (alpha) male point of view therefore fought to enter and intrude upon male-only spaces such as science, politics, mathematics and sport. Men have retaliated by demanding access to our spaces that we fought for. So we are now "getting a taste of our own medicine". This is known as "the backlash".

TIMs do not want to be men in dresses. They want to affirm that only people who can wear dresses, lipstick, eyeliner, like pink and get fake tits are women. They reaffirm, through actions such as forcing counter-intuitive pronouns and name changes, that men cannot do these things.

These things are happening on an unconscious and mass-social level by the way. I am not saying every TIM must hate all women or that all men hate all women. There is a collective, subtle but constant social misogyny at play that enables this systematic erosion of women's rights and reinforcement of hierarchical gender-based stereotypes that we are now witnessing.

On other words men don't want to do the same thing feminists did. They want to push back.