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Travez Perry - violent attack at high school

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FeminaSum · 25/10/2018 22:50

This video is really shocking. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6317165/Transgender-girl-charged-brutal-high-school-attack-caught-camera-says-bullied.html

Obviously it goes without saying that bullying is wrong, and should have been dealt with by the school. But this person kicking and stomping on people who are lying on the ground, resulting in their hospitalisation? That goes far beyond a response to bullying.

A commenter on GC Reddit whose daughter attends the school in question reports that the girl who was beaten has either a broken jaw or fractured skull.

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Oliversmumsarmy · 27/10/2018 14:07

I am old and I am left wondering how people are going to cope if anything really dreadful happened.

Sometimes I think some people need to remove there head from their backsides and get over themselves and grow up.

BettyDuMonde · 27/10/2018 14:16

Lauren Jeska (convicted of two attempted murders) is another case where the rage at having the female identity questioned resulted in extreme rage:

www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/17/jailed-transgender-fell-runner-thought-uk-athletics-was-trying-to-kill-her

And Patrick ‘Patty Lou’ Hagan, convicted of ‘misdemenour battery’ in 1999 (pictured - I can’t seem to access the news reports due to not being located in the US - perhaps a US poster could screenshot? It definitely appeared in the St Petersburg Times, 25th September 1999).

Travez Perry - violent attack at high school
AspieAndProud · 27/10/2018 14:17

Imagine if it wasn’t gender dysphoria that is currently dictating social policy but this gender related condition:

Koro

Koro is a culture-bound syndrome delusional disorder in which an individual has an overpowering belief that one's sex organs are retracting and will disappear, despite the lack of any true longstanding changes to the genitals. Koro is also known as shrinking penis, and it is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The syndrome occurs worldwide, and mass hysteria of genital-shrinkage anxiety has a history in Africa, Asia, and Europe. In the United States and Europe, the syndrome is commonly known as genital retraction syndrome. The condition can be diagnosed through psychological assessment along with physical examination to rule out genuine disorders of the genitalia that could be causing true retraction.

Mechanisms

When considering the biological mechanisms and evolutionary history of koro, it is important to look at it in the larger framework of mass hysteria. While the underlying mechanisms are still poorly understood, it has been suggested that the mirror neurons play a major role in mass hysteria outbreaks. Mirror neurons, which have been found in both human and non-human primates, are neurons that fire when one performs an action and when they observe another individual performing the same action. It is hypothesized that we evolved these mechanisms to learn from observation of others, as well as to facilitate imitation. However, within mirror neurons, there is some form of inhibitory process, which prevents us from blindly mimicking every action we observe others perform. New research into this area suggests that in mass hysteria outbreaks something goes amiss in this inhibitory process.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_(medicine)

There’s clear parallels with gender dysphoria but a society which rewrote its rules because of a minority of people with this condition would be considered nuts.

GrinitchSpinach · 27/10/2018 15:01

Link to PDF of the St Pete Times report on Hagan:

genderidentitywatch.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/pasco_-cross-dressing-man-sentenced-for-battery.pdf

Oliversmumsarmy · 27/10/2018 15:21

Someone I know works with different people every shift. Probably 2 or 3 shifts per week 3-70 staff (depending on the venue) each shift for the last few years.

It is a well paid job. Definitely not minimum wage and every one there thinks it is a brilliant job that fits into their lifestyles as you can pick and choose which jobs you want.

The only time there has been any problems has been on the 2 occasions when someone with gender issues has turned up to work and refused to do the job they were being paid to do because they were trans.
Then after being threatened with going home and not earning spent the rest of the shift being complete dicks and generally causing more problems than they were worth.

Friend thinks instead of being treated for gender issues they should be treated for anger issues first because they all seem so angry. Even with people who they have never met before.

PositivelyPERF · 27/10/2018 16:26

Friend thinks instead of being treated for gender issues they should be treated for anger issues first because they all seem so angry.

Can you imagine suggesting that, on twitter? It would, of course, somehow be blamed on women.

Oliversmumsarmy · 27/10/2018 16:38

I think friend has something.

Why are people who describe themselves as trans so angry when someone doesn't agree with them or has a different opinion or just turning up to work and being confrontational with the manager who asked them to wear a hairnet (like every other man and woman in the kitchens)

moimichme · 27/10/2018 17:54

This is a horrifying story and I can't bear to watch the video. My heart goes out to the poor victims of this attack and their families. I hope they're being supported. Flowers

I think a psychologist would say that at the root of the rage and anger response is fear.

My ex was bullied as a boy and is convinced it was because the other kids somehow 'knew' even before they did (I'm not sure about that bit - from being bullied myself, I just think some kids can be cruel sometimes due to a range of issues they're trying to deal with).

At its root perhaps it is a fear that they don't 'pass' despite what their oh-so-kind friends say on Facebook, and they will be found out...when your innermost identity is at odds with biological reality, it must be difficult.

Ex is now in the US and terrified that 'people might kill them' because of being a transsexual when they go in the women's toilets (where they of course deserve to be, with their newly minted feminine pronouns Hmm ). Maybe with the US gun culture that's not so daft a fear, I don't know. But fear certainly doesn't excuse violence in response.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 27/10/2018 18:07

when your innermost identity is at odds with biological reality, it must be difficult

It is. I am autistic and for years I identified as neurotypical. And, nope. I never 'passed'. And never will.

BruegelTheElder · 27/10/2018 18:07

I don't really get what this incident has to do with trans issues in general? It's a violent assault and the perpetrator is being dealt with by the law. That would be true whether this was a boy, girl, transboy, transgirl, whatever, wouldn't it?

Unless the judge is lenient on them specifically because of the trans thing (from the article in the OP seems like the trial is ongoing?) then what's the actually issue here?

AspieAndProud · 27/10/2018 18:09

If this wasn’t a trans girl people wouldn’t be leaping to her defence. That’s the issue.

WomanAndProud · 27/10/2018 18:59

Bruege - Perry's lawyer brought up the transition essentially as mitigating circumstances to the judge. If it has nothing to do with being trans, then why mention it?

Materialist · 27/10/2018 20:24

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MrGHardy · 27/10/2018 21:05

Is it just me or are some of the students laughing while this is taking place? Not taking away from what that person did, but not a single one of these muppets filming is doing anything to help.

And stitchingmoss

"Nothing justifies the response but the minimising of the affect of bullying on this thread is shocking."

How often do you see kids being bullied doing this kind of stuff? Bullying is prevalent, it doesn't matter the reason, fat people get bullied, people with a quirk, geeks, people who just "look wrong", anyone and everyone can get bullied for anything.

powershowerforanhour · 27/10/2018 21:43

Male batters female. In other news, bear shits in woods.

RedHood- nobody has said that all men are attackers. This thread is merely highlighting an issue: that transwomen retain male patterns of criminality. Ie the proportion of them who retain the ability and the impulse to attack women will be the same as the proportion of other males.

And in practice: yes it seems likely that transwomen batter, rape and kill women at the same rate that other males do. A frock and a new name does not change how likely or not a male is to batter, rape or kill a female.

AspieAndProud · 27/10/2018 22:33

Is it just me or are some of the students laughing while this is taking place? Not taking away from what that person did, but not a single one of these muppets filming is doing anything to help.

That’s something that makes me doubt the bullying explanation. If this was a bully getting comeuppance the kids might secretly enjoy seeing it but they’d never laugh out loud because they know the bully would eventually retaliate.

Binglebong · 27/10/2018 22:52

I think our idea of bullying varies too. When I was at school I was bullied. I was convinced of it and very unhappy. But looking back that's not the truth. People weren't "nice" but then they don't have to be. Bullying is proactive - actually doing something intending harm. With me it wasn't deliberate; I was just overlooked and the victim of some thoughtlessness. And we are all guilty of that.

My rather garbled point is that there wasn't necessarily any bullying. There may have been, we don't know, everything is speculation at the moment. It is being claimed that Travez felt bullied but that is not the same thing. It will almost certainly be used as their defence and as we cannot see feelings we can't dispute that where have I heard that before? but if that is the case there needs to be no evidence of bully presented.

Obviously bullying should be stopped and perpetrators punished. If it isn't bullying but someone feeling bullied then a conversation about being kind and including others is often a good idea.

At no point is trying to kill someone a way to deal. I hope Travez is locked away for a long time.

AspieAndProud · 30/10/2018 19:54

‘‘There should be consequences on both sides’’

Like having your head stomped on isn’t enough.

OrchidInTheSun · 30/10/2018 19:59

I just accidentally watched the start of the video. Sickening.

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AspieAndProud · 30/10/2018 23:40

Every high school massacre is fuelled by some sense of grievence.

failingatlife · 30/10/2018 23:52

Perry has pleaded not guilty according to this m.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Allegedly-bullied-transgender-teen-pleads-not-13348773.php#photo-16391299

IdaBWells · 31/10/2018 05:16

One photo online and the accused believes that justifies beating two students into unconsciousness and hospitalised? The accused also believes, according to the report that “they both owe each other an apology”. The accused needs to be in prison for GBH as far as I am concerned.

Beerincomechampagnetastes · 31/10/2018 06:28

I feel angrier at the apologists on this thread.
Every wife beater , murderer and rapist has an excuse.
You can’t defend the indefensible. Yet there are so many of you on this thread doing just that. Shame on you all.

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