Trump seeks to redefine definition of gender

[Togawa]

“Sex means a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the department proposed in the memo, which was drafted and has been circulating since last spring. “The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”

surprised I've not seen anyone here cheering for trump and this policy! this is what women want right?

www.nytimes.com/2018/10/21/us/politics/transgender-trump-administration-sex-definition.html

Also, Mumsnet isn't one entity. It's millions of individuals with varying views. The ridiculous conclusion that Mumsnet and all feminists are Trump supporters just because people agree with him that sex is based in biology, just shows you have your own agenda for posting here.

I do find it interesting how you've all jumped to conclusions about who I am, what I believe and where I stand on trans issues.
I came here only to seek clarification that mumsnet are on the same side trump here. I've no interest in debating the issue or anything.

The assumption about which side you stand is largely based on the last sentence quoted here. It's standard fare for AWAs.

Maybe not you don't think you sound smug but you are definitely weirdly triumphant that we are in this situation.

Also Elizabeth Bathory was also a white woman so OP is a peasant girl slaughtering Hungarian despot queen

QED now get in the sea

We all know that a woman is anyone who says they are

OP you do realise it is possible to agree with people on certain issues and disagree with them on others right? Assuming that you are capable of critical thinking of course. Otherwise you end up sounding like that fool AC who attacked an MP for responding to a tweet about child rape because apparently the tweeter has a history of wrong think.

And btw it was Obama who changed the definition. Trump just wants to return it to one that most people support and recognise.

I'm having a hard time thinking of anything else I would be happy to admit agreeing with him on.

I actually agree with Trump that the US should have better relations with Russia, I agree that NAFTA and TTP are terrible and have decimated the working class, I also agree that a peace deal between North and South Korea are a good thing and should be pursued.

Now, I don't know if he meant any of that or not (probably not, looking at him appointing Bolton), but, frankly, it is a bit dim to view agreeing with Trump on anything as a 'gotcha', which is best demonstrated by the fact that people like Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein share these positions with him.

I am pretty sure Trump agrees that we should not round up gays and shoot them. Now what?

I wouldn't care if it was an alien landed from another galaxy far away if they said enough already, we can see your planet has a dimorphic species busily overpopulating it to extinction, but we are a bit puzzled about why you have agreed the kinksters are not really doing this to get their rocks when it's so fucking obvious even from billions of light years away.

Sometimes it takes crazy to admit to crazy.

I heard that Trump also believes if you fall out of a plane without a parachute, you will definitely hit the ground at speed rather than floating upwards.

The fascist fucker.

Sometimes it takes crazy to admit to crazy

Or a naive, child-like figure with tiny hands to say the emperor has no clothes.

Trump also likes ice cream.

I’m assuming that means that all right-thinking woke individuals need to declare ice cream as the most disgusting substance on the planet.

Otherwise, they’d be agreeing with Trump about something, and we all know that to agree with someone about one thing obviously means you agree with them about everything.

Or a naive, child-like figure with tiny hands to say the emperor has no clothes

That's the one.

Or a naive, child-like figure with tiny hands to say the emperor has no clothes.

Little Donnie Tinyhands.

Hi all,
Just to say that the OP has deregistered from the site, in case you were hoping for a response.

Thanks for the kind and informative heads-up, HopeMN

What a weird thing to do.

Togowa was only here to tell us women that have opinions they don't like are bad people.

It is kind of sad that the other side has no arguments to the point where they deregister after posting...

Most likely that it was a harvesting exercise to find screenshots to put up on twitter etc that wasn't quite as fruitful as anticipated.

How sad.

Goady fuckery aside, this was a lovely thread. Genuine roffles.

(I haven't read the thread.)

Glosswitch comment seems appropriate though- even its repeated!

what an excellent statement.

The Right have long used ideologies around women's biology to oppress women.

The Left are currently attempting to obfuscate women's biology in order to oppress women. In fact the Left has eaten the Right's ideologies, digested them, and is now dumping out policy turds which women, as ever, are having to clean up.

Oh, it's already (predictably) all over twitter.