Debbie Hayton on world at 1 radio 4 today

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Just heard Debbie is on today.

We are men.

We don't care about women.

We won't listen to women.

Silly little women.

Pats heads.

Doesn't what Paris said show that the exemptions in the EA are useless? Imagine going to any kind of 'woman only' thing and Paris Lees is there! (Not that I have seen anything advertised as 'women only'for about 15 years.)

I think FiLiA is including their art awards but seems to so far fly under the radar.

Well there were men there last year. One woman had a t shirt on that said 'Pussy Power' and her boyfriend was with her.

Well just complained, same as I did this morning after Today.
I said Debbie (like Kristina (sp?)) this morning was entirely sensible and I hold her in high regard but why no actual born women?

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I've just complained that YET AGAIN they have not one natal woman speaking on this issue. Debbie was brilliant but it's still four men discussing issues that are primarily about women.....how can they not see this?

I just can't believe the complete abdication of journalistic integrity at the BBC. Get the sense the presenter was in a state of abject terror of saying the wrong thing.

Debbie was basically saying TRA are going about it the wrong way. Debbie believe that by talking to women, we can be persuaded to give up sex segregation. Debbie doesn't believe dismissing women will work long term, but dialogue will.

I've sent a one liner to WATO asking where the women were in the debate.

I was metaphorically shouting at the radio (under my breath so as not to wake the baby). How can the BBC claim not to be biased when it allows "debates" to be conducted with no right to reply from one side? I sent a long message to the website, which will almost certainly have no effect but we can but try. I wish I'd mentioned the lack of women though.

Fucking hell, women really are being silenced and ignored aren't we!

Four men (male born people) discussing the GRA and its affect on women. I’ve emailed WATO to ask for an explanation. I may have mentioned Posies definition writ large on the BBC just last week, and had they already forgotten?

Available on listen again here: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0000sdk

Considering Debbie spent a long time pointing out there were two sexes and single sex spaces for a reason it was extremely sexist to then not invite or involve a female in the discussion.

Debbie talks sense. Debbie makes logical arguments. Debbie is awesome. But yeah - where's the female spokesperson here?

That was absolutely appalling. There were so many areas to question Paris and co on, such as the blatantly false equivalence with gay rights and black rights (ie that comparison would only work if anyone was saying trans people were sexual predators, which they aren't. We are saying some males are sexual predators and that is why we need sex segregated spaces).

It was just a cosy chat with trans activists agreeing, huge holes and areas for the interviewer to probe their arguments, yet no challenge from anywhere. Appalling.

I have emailed WATO with a complaint. Disgraceful - not to mention being too little too late

I fail to see what the third person brought to the party. Even more self absorbed that the usual boys they wheel put.

Shame Debbie was recorded. She would have squished those lightweights.

I wonder if tra refuse to debate alongside women?

It was a similar set up on the Victoria Derbyshire prog this morning. The one GC women was on a program but on a pre recording, and not in the studio.

Probably. Coward custard (to steal a phrase)

R4 - comments

'Lack of balance, I'm angry'

None responsible for the show available. Cowards!

I just saw Debbie on a YouTube vid ( on Newsnight ) and they were great. Excellent, calm and reasonable but also making sure to get important bits in.

Debbie on Twitter:

twitter.com/DebbieHayton/status/1052902208403070976

"Yes. I suffered an appalling transphobic attack last week from a trans ally who reported me to my employer.

My livelihood is under threat, but it is not under threat from gender critical women."

I fail to see what the third person brought to the party. Even more self absorbed that the usual boys they wheel put.

I think the third person, the male born non-binary drag queen brought a great deal.

I'm sure many listeners benefited from hearing their comments.