Debbie Hayton on world at 1 radio 4 today

[Ekphrasis]

Just heard Debbie is on today.

Oh the gay card now.

Yep. No women here....

Jeezus H

FAKE STATS KLAXON

'Questioning whether trans people can even exist'

False analogy with race

False analogy with being gay

Do they have anything relevant and honest to say??

Gay fear that is.

No Paris these are not the same

Debbie was absolutely bl**dy fantastic!!!

Interesting opener from Paris rowing herself back from the debate. Clearly Paris's chief concern is Paris ..

Oh the IRONY!!

"cisgender people setting the conversation" - there are no women in this item!

"Like a white person talking about what it's like to be black" - or maybe like a man talking about what it's like to be a woman?

It's almost as if actual women's rights and views do not matter.

There isn’t one biological women involved in this conversation? This can’t be right?

Yes she was.

Fucking identity feelz.

Paris, that's fine, you've been doing this for ages and don't have a grc but women have the right to have women's only spaces.

Just about got a full house on my bingo card.

Idiot man - you were 'recognised' not 'assigned' male from birth. I don't even know who you are, can't even see you and I can clearly 'recognise' you as male. Feckin nutters

That was extraordinary.

I do hope someone can transcribe it.

Journalists need a briefing paper to deal with onslaughts like that.

Yep.

Full bingo.

And totally ignored what Debbie had said about respecting women.

Zero respect given.

Just about got a full house on my bingo card

Me too!

'I have literally never heard PL talk about anything else.'

Same here. So bloody disingenuous

Debbie was great but why on earth was she not invited into the studio? The studio debate was the usual ridiculous nonsense - gay card, race card, self harm, fear, assigned at birth, cis-this, cis-that. And absolutely no challenge whatsoever from the presenter. I'm so frustrated but so unsurprised

The non binary person would have peaked a few - or puzzled many

4 fucking men. Sorry Debbie - you are great but still - NO WOMEN.

What about that giggling presenter? Clueless. Not happy about Debbie being the gc voice, it compounds the whole idea that men will decide what is reasonable.

Are there no actual journalists at the BBC? Are there just people identifying as Journalists?
I only ask because they never seem to have done any research prior to these discussions, otherwise they would pull people up up when they spout blatant lies!

I think that was designed to lead to peak trans, really. I'm so angry, I want to march on the bbc!

I think PL's default stance of snippy and superior doesn't do them any favours when trying to win over people who have no knowledge of this debate.

Especially those people who might have seen PL on Celebrity Island

Note how they have all implemented the advice from the “we’re still here” conference and sound ever so reasonable on radio and tv.
We see you.

The usual lies peddled regarding suicide and Gay fear, and shamefacedly white women refusing to use the same toilets as black women or 'people of colour' as they, the non binary male put it (I wonder what toilet they use). Paris Lees seems obsessed with toilets and doesn't seem to have an understanding of boundaries.

They also get depressed if misgendered, not even a distinction between mistaken or deliberate - you couldn't make this up.

They and Lees ignored the transsexual in the room. Debbie Hayton was brilliant.