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Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown

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R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 09:40

article by Lucy Bannerman
(extract)
"A victim of domestic abuse was removed as a judge of a radical thinking prize and “hounded” out of her role within the Liberal Democrats for saying that she did not believe that men who identified as women should have access to women’s refuges.

Natalie Bird, 38, a mother of two who fled an abusive former partner, was accused of “dangerous transphobia” by transgender activists in the party. She had said that opening up safe spaces without proper safeguards to anyone who said that they were female could put women at risk.

She opposed segregating women’s refuges by chosen gender instead of biological sex, and said that it was not fair to make female victims of domestic violence, abuse and rape share services with people with “functioning” male anatomy.

After being allegedly bullied on social media by party activists, Ms Bird was brought before a disciplinary hearing to face a complaint in the name of Zoe O’Connell, on behalf of the LGBT+ Liberal Democrats. The correspondence says that Ms Bird had “expressed troublesome views”.

The hearing found no evidence to support the complaint of transphobia, but Ms Bird lost her position as chairwoman of the Radical Association, made up of party members, following a vote of no confidence. This cost her her role as a judge of the Ashdown Prize for Radical Thought; an ironic move, Ms Bird said, given that the prize’s aim was to reward “big, bold, radical” solutions to society’s most “daunting problems . . . no one has the courage to argue for” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lib-dem-trans-activists-hounded-abuse-victim-b6dx39tv3

Hopefully many LibDem Members will stand in support of Natalie Bird.

O'Connell and Brown make a mockery of the LibDem priciples and their bullying abusive behaviour has been allowed to run unchecked within the party.

The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives.

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acivilcontract · 19/10/2018 13:24

Okay I'm a gc lib dem, newish to party but agree with them on lots apart from this so I don't just want to leave. My local branch is half a dozen blokes focused totally on Brexit. What can I do to register my dissent with this behavior?

BettyDuMonde · 19/10/2018 13:24

Preston was a director of the Autistic Society of Greater Manchester but interestingly, resigned 11 days ago, according to Companies House.

beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04326334/officers

Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown
GrimDamnFanjo · 19/10/2018 13:25

And this is why i have also left the party...

stillathing · 19/10/2018 13:26

ugh. voted lib dem in the generals once and several times in local elections. how embarrassing .

LangCleg · 19/10/2018 13:30

two people I am proud to call friend

I'd advise you to be more discerning about your choice of friend. But each to their own, I guess.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 13:31

Luke Graham just locked his twitter account.

It was public before.

Funny that.

Freespeecher · 19/10/2018 13:34

I've voted for the Lib Dems more than for any other party. I'd already stopped voting for then nationally (they have good local councillors) due to their Brexit which, though a Leaver, I could at least understand politically.

On top of that, this whole thread is an illustration of their increasing illiberality which is all the more dumb because, if they neglect their liberal roots, they're just another left wing party and recent elections show that, if people want that, they'll vote Corbyn. On top of which their Brexit stance is hardly bearing fruit as they managed to lose ultra-Remain Richmond in 2017.

Recently on the Daily Politics, Isabelle Hardman asked Jo Swinson 'right now, what's the point of the Lib Dems?' and she has a point.

Will they be the next established party to fold?

JoanSummers · 19/10/2018 13:37

Sarah Brown's full post on coining a term for (their words) the 'smegma-like.. residue' belonging to a 'post operative trans woman' [still not sure how much is visible on those screenshots and I think it is important that this is shared to demonstrate the sort of person Brown is]:

Sarah Brown (auntysarah) wrote,2008-12-18 11:39:00

Coining Petty Neologisms for the Sisterhood

So there's this ex-US senator called Rick Santorum. For those unfamiliar with this "gentleman", he has expressed some pretty unsavoury views on homosexuality in the past, speaking out against the rights of consenting adults to have sex with whom they want, without interference, and associating homosexuality with certain"odd" sexual habits including bestiality. This may sound familiar.

Anyway, the story doesn't end there, because well-known gay sex-advice columnist (as in he's gay and he writes a sex advice column - the column isn't exclusivelyabout gay sex) Dan Savage, in the wake of this, managed to coin the word, "santorum" as shorthand for "that frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that issometimes the byproduct of anal sex". Since then, the neologism has become extremely popular on the Internet, displacing search results for the eponymousbigoted senator on a search engine near you.

I'm a fan of Dan Savage's podcast, even though he can be a bit clueless on trans issues when they come up, and I thoroughly approve of what he managed to do ingiving the English Language a word for something that was only describable in full (and not in polite company) before, especially when in doing so, he demonstrated such pwnage (the neologisms are coming thick and fast in this post).

Now, there is a point to all of this, and that's that there is no word in the English language, that I am aware of, for the smegma-like mixture of dead skin cells,gynaecological lube, stale urine (gives it its distinctive smell) and sweat that is sometimes present as a white residue on the end of a dilation stent when a post-operative trans woman withdraws the stent after dilating her neovagina.

I propose rectifying this linguistic oversight. I propose naming this mixture, "bindel".

All those in favour, say "Aye" (and better still, link to this post so that Google finds it).

SmallButFierce · 19/10/2018 13:38

I used to vote Lib Dem but haven’t since the coalition and I don’t think I will do again after they’ve shown themselves to be a bunch of misogynists without capacity for critical thinking. Unfortunately the same goes for the Labour Party and the Greens so not sure who I’m going to vote for in future 😡

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/10/2018 13:43

I'm intrigued by the picture caption on the article:

Candidate Zoe O'Connell (left) used to be man. Sarah Brown (centre) is married to Sylvia Knight (right) and they now all live together in a three-bedroom home in Cambridge

Why is only one of the people named as "used to be a man"?

JoanSummers · 19/10/2018 13:47

In the comments of Brown's post:

jennyemily
December 18 2008, 15:39:51
Zoë is currently trying to think of a way to justify its entry into the T-VOX wiki, then cross reference it through all the other pages - that should bump up the Googlehits.

auntysarah
December 18 2008, 19:27:59
Awesome!

...

hippieg2o
December 19 2008, 00:51:01
Aye!
Now lets try using it in a sentance lol

auntysarah
December 19 2008, 12:01:19

"After a particularly vigorous masturbation session with my favourite vibrator, I dislodged quite a lot of bindel."

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@annoyedally - your friends Sarah and Zoe seem lovely don't they?

QuietContraryMary · 19/10/2018 13:53

"Luke Graham just locked his twitter account.

It was public before.

Funny that."

Luke watches Mumsnet like a hawk, it's in his Twitter history numerous posts

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 13:59

Oh so it was Luke who pmed me fishing to see if I was a LD member then?

Fuck off Luke.

QuietContraryMary · 19/10/2018 14:00

yeah Luke linked to one of your previous posts a few months ago. He's a proper prick

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:01

Interesting.

I hope Lucy Bannerman is reading this thread.

QuietContraryMary · 19/10/2018 14:03

Still in Google cache: <a class="break-all" href="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:u9V8L86Udg0J:twitter.com/LGBTLD/statuses/1042550386563809280+" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:u9V8L86Udg0J:twitter.com/LGBTLD/statuses/1042550386563809280+

Datun · 19/10/2018 14:05

After a particularly vigorous masturbation session with my favourite vibrator, I dislodged quite a lot of bindel."

The other thing I don't understand is how can they talk like this about their own body?

The self hatred is obvious.

Unfortunately for Brown, every time I think of them, I think of those words. So does everyone else. The name Sarah Brown comes up, that quote follows it.

I can't imagine anyone, ever, aligning themselves to somebody who speaks this way.

R0wantrees · 19/10/2018 14:07

Why is only one of the people named as "used to be a man"?

Sarah Brown has been vocal about her GRC and that this makes her both a woman and female.

She is very insistant about the medical reality of her female biology.

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RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:11

I'm a nobody. Like really.

Honestly, this is just like the gaming community spats I've seen before. EXACTLY.

Its gamergate. Really it is.

Luke you must have thought I was born yesterday.

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 19/10/2018 14:11

Quite honestly I don't care about them being gross about their own bodies that's up to them. And I'm sure Julie B is not remotely bothered either.
What shocks me is that (it looks like) several men were allowed to bully and harass a women in the Liberal Democrats. A woman who expressed concern, as a victim of domestic violence, about the safety of women and children in refuges.
How the Hell can the LibDems justify that? ?

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:15

I think Luke wants us to advertise just how proud he is of what happened to Natalie

Seeing as you asked so nicely.

Times 'Lib Dem trans activists ‘hounded’ abuse victim (Natalie Bird)''.Article refers to Zoe O'Connell & Sarah Brown
RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:17

How the Hell can the LibDems justify that? ?

They can't.

Its the Greens all over again.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/10/2018 14:24

How on earth do these parties expect voters to take them seriously? Behave with a bit of dignity fgs!

TwistedStitch · 19/10/2018 14:30

After a particularly vigorous masturbation session with my favourite vibrator, I dislodged quite a lot of bindel

I'm sorry, WTF? The individual who wrote this then stood as an MP for the Lib Dems? What the fuck is wrong with these parties.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2018 14:34

The Greens, Stonewall and the Lib Dems ALL have the same problem. Exactly the same.

Labour have a similar problem but it manifests in a different way and is wider in its scope and is on several different issues.

The Conservatives have a different problem again, but its to do with the same thing and increased centralisation of power.

Its about the weakness of a connection to proper grassroots and the actual voting public outside the political party framework. And abuse of power.

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