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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brian Paddock on Twitter

96 replies

kesstrel · 11/10/2018 15:14

So Brian Paddock thinks self-ID is ok because

A birth certificate has never been used as a passport to access safe spaces & the GRA is about birth certificates.

And also that transwomen have nothing to do with male violence, and that If a lesbian is seeking refuge from domestic violence, simply denying refuge access to men won’t help.

twitter.com/SkylarJordan/status/1050369442494984192

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ErrolTheDragon · 11/10/2018 15:20

As I have just copied this link, I think I'll paste it right here to give some context to the notion of self-ID being ok and
'transwomen have nothing to do with male violence':

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838

OvaHere · 11/10/2018 15:24

Women have justified concerns about male violence, misogyny, male privilege & male dominance of society (as do I) but trans women are not men & are not responsible for these issues - these are issues that affect them too.

What a load of utter codswallop Brian. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

They are fucking men. That's the whole point. Karen White, Jacinta Brookes - both men and both fully responsible for their sex crimes.

Like violence, misogyny, privilege and dominance just stops when someone puts on some lippy and changes their pronouns.

What monumental stupidity from someone in his position.

HamiltonCork · 11/10/2018 15:31

It never ceases to amaze me just how comfortable men are at giving away women's hard fought for rights.

littlbrowndog · 11/10/2018 15:32

Hers Brian a guy telling us what we should think
Ta Brian for keeping us educated
We just women and always need the guys educating us
Ta Brian

stillathing · 11/10/2018 15:33

Really sad to read this as I received a thoughtful reply from him when I wrote to him a while ago.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/10/2018 15:35

It never ceases to amaze me just how comfortable men are at giving away women's hard fought for rights.

It never starts to amaze me. I think of all the times I've been sexually harassed in public, including as a child, and how few of those times (twice) a man has even bothered to check if I'm OK. They either don't see it (unlikely) or they simply don't care.

littlbrowndog · 11/10/2018 15:38

He also said leave trans women alone. Let’s focus on the real issues

Ffs

Spectacular miss of point Brian
And he said he had really thought about it

AncientLights · 11/10/2018 15:43

I once had hopes of Brian. Shame.

terryleather · 11/10/2018 15:44

Male with no skin in the game and a tenuous grasp on reality if this quote is anything to go by - but trans women are not men - flaps his gums over something that will have absolutely no affect on him and his rights while trying to pretend he gives a tiny shiny about females.

Piss Off Paddock!!!!!!!

MsMcWoodle · 11/10/2018 15:47

Can he prove that transwomen are less of a threat than other men?
No. He can't.

VickyEadie · 11/10/2018 15:47

It never starts to amaze me. I think of all the times I've been sexually harassed in public, including as a child, and how few of those times (twice) a man has even bothered to check if I'm OK. They either don't see it (unlikely) or they simply don't care.

To be fair, there are women over on the AIBU thread shrugging their shoulders about the same thing, can't see why any woman would need a female HCP for smears, etc and apparently entirely bemused that any of us don't want penises in our faces when we're vulnerable.

There's even a couple arguing that if we were all more relaxed about nudity, men wouldn't want to assault us. I'm not making it up.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3390610-in-my-understanding-of-the-trans-issue?watched=1&msgid=81711533#81711533

OvaHere · 11/10/2018 15:50

You can always question someone’s presence, whether it’s a predatory gay man in a male changing room or a woman behaving inappropriately in a woman’s changing room. A birth certificate has never been used as a passport to access safe spaces & the GRA is about birth certificates.

Here's another gem from the oh so wise penis haver.

Does he think it's easy for women to challenge males who appear threatening? Males who will be considerably larger and stronger.

Moving on from women, what about the girls? Is a 13 year old girl meant to take on some dude in the locker room who is there because the gym wanted to be inclusive to all womxn?

Just another woke bro who has no idea what it is to be female. He has no skin in this other than to champion the sexual privileges of other penis havers.

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 11/10/2018 15:53

I read that thread last night, Vicky.

The wilful disregard some of those posters had for women who for whatever reason didn’t feel comfortable in mixed sex spaces was actually shocking.

One poster shared her experience of sexual assault, and went on to say that it didn’t change how safe she felt around men- she was still comfortable to share changing rooms etc with males. Which was great for her, but fuck every other women whose trauma might have a lasting effect on how she interacts with the opposite sex.

FloralBunting · 11/10/2018 15:57

Women have justified concerns about male violence, misogyny, male privilege & male dominance of society (as do I) but trans women are not men & are not responsible for these issues - these are issues that affect them too.

The use of the 'but' after the stated justified concerns of women is the great big red flag that you should disregard the sincerity of any shared concerns.

Also this idea that by simply saying a male born person identifies as something else magically removes them from any risk factors, also presented by Joanna Gosling in that dreadfully biased conversation with Dr Nic on Victoria Derbyshire, is pure, ignorant superstition.

VickyEadie · 11/10/2018 15:58

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain

Staggering, isn't it? I had a dreadful experience of a smear test after I'd hit menopause, at the hands of an appalling male doctor who was (frankly) plain nasty to me when I gasped in pain and asked him to stop. The pain was indescribable.

It put me off going again for some time past my next due date for a test. I went a couple of weeks ago and was seen by a lovely woman HCP, who took my fears seriously and did it as sensitively as she could. It still hurt, but nowhere near as much.

VickyEadie · 11/10/2018 15:59

The use of the 'but' after the stated justified concerns of women is the great big red flag that you should disregard the sincerity of any shared concerns.

Also this idea that by simply saying a male born person identifies as something else magically removes them from any risk factors, also presented by Joanna Gosling in that dreadfully biased conversation with Dr Nic on Victoria Derbyshire, is pure, ignorant superstition.

All this.

HumberElla · 11/10/2018 16:03

Thanks for nothin, Brian Hmm

FloralBunting · 11/10/2018 16:05

Oh god yes that AIBU thread is horrid. I mean, it's lovely that someone has no psychological consequences after being raped that mean they are fine with male bodies in all circumstances, but they clearly lack basic decent empathy that would help them understand that others don't have the same experience.

It always boils down to "I don't care, why should you?" Phenomenal tunnel vision.

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain · 11/10/2018 16:05

Some of the opinions I’ve seen around the whole issue are almost sociopathic to be honest.

I’ve never been sexually assaulted, I’m not shy about nudity, I’m not religious and I don’t personally have a problem with sharing space with a genuine TW. But that doesn’t mean I cant put myself in the position of women and girls who have experienced those things or hold those beliefs. I understand that for them to participate in society fully they need protections and spaces that I might not need myself.

Liberal feminists throwing those women under the bus and using progress as an excuse ought to be ashamed of themselves.

VickyEadie · 11/10/2018 16:09

PennyMordauntsLadyBrain

Quite. Moreover, their complete failure to see the impact this will have on girls' and women's sense of and rights to boundaries is also astonishing.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/10/2018 16:11

Women have justified concerns is so minimizing as well. I have concerns? Well yes. But I have also had every aspect of my life affected by these things. How I behave, what I wear, where I go, all that mental effort. Every time I've texted a taxi reg plate, or walked the long way home, or paid for a cab I didn't want, or made relationship choices, or made less money, or had useless men in charge, or had to spend five minutes EVERY TIME proving I'm an expert before a man listens to me, or had something dreadful hissed at me in the street... These aren't 'concerns' FFS.

adulthumanandtired · 11/10/2018 16:12

Trans women are precisely related to “male dominance of society” Brian.

Funny how we don’t hear about trans men forcing their way into spaces.

VickyEadie · 11/10/2018 16:13

Women have justified concerns is so minimizing as well. I have concerns? Well yes. But I have also had every aspect of my life affected by these things. How I behave, what I wear, where I go, all that mental effort. Every time I've texted a taxi reg plate, or walked the long way home, or paid for a cab I didn't want, or made relationship choices, or made less money, or had useless men in charge, or had to spend five minutes EVERY TIME proving I'm an expert before a man listens to me, or had something dreadful hissed at me in the street... These aren't 'concerns' FFS.

Again - this.

Plainspeak · 11/10/2018 16:14

Is this Brian Paddick we are talking about?

The @brianpaddick who says "Lifelong struggle to be authentic. Lib Dem Home Affairs lead in House of Lords. Ran for Mayor of London 2008 & 2012."

The one who has posted a picture of his naked chest on his Twitter front page. When he sits in the HoL?

I see him, read his profile and tweets and think misogynistic narc. Liberal yes, democrat, nope not a bit.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 16:19

He paid a lot of lip service to people. A LOT.

I realised this was his position some time ago.