"over 70% of unprovoked street attacks were men being violent to other men."

[golondrina]

I commented on a tweet saying that men too are afraid of walking alone at night because of violence from other men. I said that it may be true that some men fear violent attack from other men, most don't. That men sometimes are afraid walking alone but that women are usually afraid of walking alone at night and that it was an important difference.

He's come back saying "over 70% of unprovoked street attacks were men being violent to other men" I want to reply with something specific, help me?

What makes you assume I think that and that I don't discuss this elsewhere too?

Oh, do provide some links where you've done this. I'd be very interested to read them.

Have you ever considered the possibility that you're not the first man to do precisely what you're doing here?

I often wonder if a particular sort of man thinks women have no long-term memory.

I can see that posters are getting irate, which is a shame as this is an interesting debate.

I'm a member of the most violent sex, responsible for the huge majority of violent crime and yet I don't take these statistics personally because I'm comfortable that I don't directly contribute to these statistics and have little in common with violent men other than my sex.

I think class analysis is a useful tool but can also encourage people to disregard the individual aspect of responsibility.

Oh, do provide some links where you've done this. I'd be very interested to read them.

In fact, I'm so very keen to read them and see how those conversation went that I suggest that we all pause this fascinating discussion to peruse those first. Just so we can get a really good grip on where Scott is coming from, you understand.

I can see that posters are getting irate, which is a shame as this is an interesting debate.

Ha ha the old 'calm down dear' argument!

I don't see anyone getting 'irate'. I see people asking you pertinent questions which you keep evading. Don't think we haven't noticed.

What do you think should be done to deal with the problem of men who abandon their young families?

Do you mean abandoning them without maintenance ?

I can see that posters are getting irate, which is a shame as this is an interesting debate.

I'm not irate and I think the direction in which you have taken this thread is predictable, mundane and boring.

(But I'm sure my saying that is proof positive of irateness/iratosity/youbeingsuperior. Natch.)

Oh, do provide some links where you've done this. I'd be very interested to read them.

I don't need to prove anything to you, LangCleg.

Either posters are willing to discuss this or intent on dismissing it. Either way, it would be disingenuous to discuss male violence without also examining the underlying factors, especially in light of such poignant evidence.

Women are so emotional! Unlike men, whose insistence on recentering every conversation on themselves is totally rational and not in any way motivated by emotion.

poignant

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I don't see anyone getting 'irate'. I see people asking you pertinent questions which you keep evading. Don't think we haven't noticed.

Which questions?

Surely I don't have to state a third time that I don't have the almighty cure to the epidemic of male violence. As I said, I believe that discussion and identification of contributory factors is a good start - although it seems there is much resistance to this.

Either posters are willing to discuss this

Oh, I'm willing to discuss this.

That's why I've repeatedly asked you:

• Why so many men (almost never women) are happy to abandon their young children?
• If your precious statistics control for the fact that single parent families tend to cluster in poor and socially disadvantaged backgrounds?

But answers have you none.

ScottCheggJnr Single parent families have only become prevalent within the last 30-40 years, yet male violence has been commonplace in societies much, much longer than that. Not to mention that there are still many cultures today were divorce is strongly frowned on, and yet many of them still have endemic male violence.

Your argument seems to be a classic case of confusing correlation with causation.

Fact is, statistics show that the most violent men are raised solely by women.

What are you women doing about this?

Which questions?

See above.

Surely I don't have to state a third time that I don't have the almighty cure to the epidemic of male violence

YOU brought up fatherless families as your argument. Yet you refuse to think about why so many fathers - almost never mothers - walk out on their young children. Why bring up a subject if you refuse to discuss it?

As I said, I believe that discussion and identification of contributory factors is a good start - although it seems there is much resistance to this

Lol - sorry that your transparent attempt to blame male violence on women (specifically some of the most disacvantaged women in society - single mothers) has failed miserably.

Fact is, statistics show that the most violent men are raised solely by women.

What are you women doing about this?

It's fascinating how short a time people associated with a particular perspective are able to (poorly) conceal it for.

Why so many men (almost never women) are happy to abandon their young children?

I think a lot of men - especially younger men - are indifferent about children, certainly when compered to women. This might say something about our evolutionary past - not just the hominid stages but way before that.

It's fascinating how short a time people associated with a particular perspective are able to (poorly) conceal it for.

Less than four pages does not indicate much in the way of staying power, does it?

I think a lot of men - especially younger men - are indifferent about children, certainly when compered to women

As a woman I'm indifferent to children - actually no, I actively have never wanted to have children. So I take precautions. It would be quite easy for a man with the same 'indifference' to do the same. A lot better than fathering children and then walking out on them a few years down the road.

Maybe they need some sort of training program to help them develop better endurance and subterfuge skills.

(I'm picturing the Rocky theme playing over a scene of a man banging angrily at his keyboard.)

Oh and Scott, since you're banging on about how the sons of single mothers are more likely to become violent, what about their daughters? Oh yes - girls are much less likely than boys to turn into violent adults, no matter what their circumstances. Why is that do you think, Scott?

But you're not going to reply, are you?

I'm probably unable to answer all the questions posed without at least doing some serious research/consideration.

However, I don't think that's the main issue. If I wake up one day and can't move my legs, I don't need to know or understand the reasons why to know that this is a serious problem which needs to be investigated.

It's fascinating how short a time people associated with a particular perspective are able to (poorly) conceal it for.

I've developed a knack for spotting them a mile off. They start off with this 'reasonable' I'd-just-like-to-offer-a-male-perspective approach. Then soon - usually very soon - it's all straight from the MRA cribsheet.

I could set my watch by them.

I'm probably unable to answer all the questions posed without at least doing some serious research/consideration.

Best of luck with your research! Do come back and tell us what you discover.