Debbie Hayton letter Times 05.10.18

[PollyEthel]

Excellent letter in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b1cda4f4-c7f8-11e8-a4a5-a34bea2c1d04

TRANSGENDER DEBATE
Sir, The compilers of the Book of Proverbs probably had more pressing concerns than gender identity when they characterised the wicked, the foolish and the wise, but the transgender debate today (letters, Oct 3 & 4) involves the same three kinds of people. The wicked will hijack any agenda for their own self-interest, and trans rights provide rich pickings.

By playing the trans card, misogynists can hound women with impunity, paedophiles can find easier access to children and rapists can be transferred to women’s prisons. The foolish see what is happening but cross their fingers and hope for the best. They know the difference between male and female but they hope that by repeating the mantra “trans women are women” loudly enough it will render that difference insignificant.

The rest of society is now finding out what has been going on. Surely, they say, people can’t change their sex to circumvent the sex-based protections of women and girls? But if they can, some abusers will. Lucy Bannerman’s Thunderer was right (“Trans movement has been hijacked by bullies and trolls”, Oct 1). The time has come for our political leaders to show some wisdom before it is too late. 
Debbie Hayton
Transgender activist, Birmingham

Debbie, thankyou (from a Birmingham MNetter)
Excellent letter

What a splendid letter.

Debbie
Thank you

A good letter. I know that Debbie is criticised by some from both sides but I am grateful for her uncompromising and respectful position.

Nice one Debbie. Your voice in this is appreciated

I genuinely hope medical studies and advances can find a way of getting help to those with genuine gender disphoria. The recent studies on genetic links may be one way.
Self IS is wrong. It leaves women and girls vulnerable and it muddies the water for genuine transsexuals.

Thank you Debbie

It is appreciated that you continue to speak up, even after your recent ‘arse on plate’ incident here.

Good letter, Debbie. You're getting blunter!

Debbie keeps on writing good stuff - quietly getting on with it. Much respect.

Debbie Thank you.

Ace letter! Thank you Debbie.

Great letter and food to see that more and more people are calling this out.

Good to see!

Debbie, thank you!
I really respect the trans women who are on the GC side of this debate. True solidarity.

Voice of reason, thank you Debbie

Thanks Debbie. A true 'transgender activist'.

Very good letter, well said Debbie

Since Debbie has announced that Debbie continues to use women's spaces (as a legal male without a GRC) and that the onus is on women and girls to ask Debbie to leave, I'm afraid this stinks of rank hypocrisy to me.

As I've pointed out before, and now will do so again on every thread about Debbie, women saying NO to men includes you. And yes, women CAN tell if the naked person next to them in the showers is a 'post op' male and not in fact a female.

Debbie, you are NOT the exception. Every man believes he's the special case. No man is.

I can't believe Debbie continues to publicly condemn the act of destroying women's boundaries, whilst doing exactly that.

I invited Debbie previously to stop using women's and girls changing rooms, showers, spaces. To demonstrate you respect our right as the opposite sex to you, and to tell us you respect women's right to sex based protections - and that you acknowledge that this excludes you, quite rightly, as a member of the opposite sex.

You said you'd 'debate' my rights to say no to you, and those of my 11 year old daughter.

So, my response to D Hayton will continue to be this:

NO.

Excellent letter. So much respect for Debbie and all those who keep pushing forward and speaking sense.

Thanks Debbie. I don't agree with your arguments about where to draw the line between women and men, but I do appreciate your clarity and consistency around your position.

There is conflict between transsexuals and women and the only way we can sort it out is by being upfront about our demands to work it out from there.

Let's cut through all this pomo, navel-gazing nonsense and nefarious manipulation that's getting in the way.

Great letter.

I agree with you Barracker. I realised a long time ago that ultimately the line was going to have to be drawn that no males in female spaces ever, including Kristina.

Debbie eat al are going to have to fight for their own rights and spaces and I support them in this.

I also agree with your previous point that there is going to have to be some ‘grandfathering’ of rights to people who already have a GRC while this whole sorry mess is sorted out.

Thank you Debbie,!!
when are the politicians going to step up to the plate, for God’s sake.
Cowards the lot of them.

Is repealing the GRA even slightly on the cards, on anyone's agenda (well, except GC women's of course)?

No.

The issue we have to deal with now is the very real prospect of self-ID being enshrined in law.

With that reality in mind, public contributions from transgender activists such as Debbie are valuable.

Excellent letter.

Thank you Debbie. There is a lot of value in you speaking up and I appreciate.

I also say no to any man in female spaces but I would support people like you to have safe third spaces