Holy crap I've approached friends about GRA and now I'm crapping myself a bit!

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So I’ve been following the trans discussions both here and in the press for a while now and I’m scared of how women are losing their voice and could be losing rights very soon. What is odd is that in RL no one I know has mentioned it. Ever. Not once.

So after watching so many brave women really putting their heads above the parapet tonight I’ve bit the bullet and sent a text to my close friends giving them the link to the GRA consultation and some reasons why I think it’s of interest to them to at least look at. This topic is something none of them have mentioned even knowing of.

Although I feel proud of myself for doing it I’m slightly shitting myself about the “friendship “ fallout and worried they think I’m bigot! Is this the adrenaline talking??!! Please talk me down

My kids were like this (although they were quite public about it).

But, LangCleg, is it your kids or R0wantrees' family that has the inestimable advantage of being powered by Bird's Eye Waffles?

My DH has started talking about this to male colleagues - he says that TW TRAs couldn't argue with men about this because they share a 'bro code' and would be called out immediately. They can argue with women because they can accuse them of not being inclusive etc, etc.
They have also discussed how they would be very supportive of women who felt uncomfortable around pushy 'people' (not TW trying to live quiet lives) trying to gain access to women's private spaces.

Right I’m going to put myself as ignorant here. Is the main issue that they want to change the law so that a man (or a woman ) can just say they’re a woman and that’s just taken as fact and they can then access female changing rooms / community groups / prisons / refuges etc????

Or a woman bit should be changing to
A man obviously

Is the main issue that they want to change the law so that a man (or a woman )

The implications go far beyond that (such as the number of world records in women's sports that are now held by trans women; that all-women shortlists are open to trans women and various organisations have stated that they'd be happy with a Parliament that is 50% men and 50% trans women) but your overview is accurate.

Maybe watch Dr Nic's video for a quick overview of the GRA proposed changes? Linked off this page.

fairplayforwomen.com

You won't be able to challenge man in the ladies. If they are classified as a 'lady' with a willy then that makes it all very confusing.

Yes, some men will use this to their advantage to follow women into spaces that were previously women only (loos, changing rooms, refuges, hey even prisons!).

Some boys will throw on a teeny gymslip and paste the girls on the track. Then all get into the showers.

Join the guides and sleep in same tent at your daughter. But that's OK - he's a 15 year old girl with erm, 'the usual' male morning occurrences. Nothing to see here girls. It's a pefectly normal girl erection.

Kids who are just boring old gay will be told that they literally can magically become the other sex. Don't like pink Sally? You must be a little boy then! Gender stereotyping gone Crazy!

Women will be abused, raped, felt up, peeved at and generally feel unsafe - but then I'm sure the police will be swift and mighty with their action should a crime be comforted (not - more likely the woman will be told off for being transphobic) but that's OK though.

Only women and children will be hurt - you dont really hear of many f2m fakers do you?

Responding to the OP — no time to read all the rest. Well done. I started this process months ago in some cases and people have gone eyeing me dubiously and saying 'hmmm, I would never have thought of you as a transphobe' to texting me to ask for help to fill in the consultation form. In fact I'm getting together with another group of women this weekend. They've opened up the consultation document, had a panic because they can't understand it, and come to me for help. So we're going to have cake and wine and they'll fill it in on their laptops and we'll discuss it and they then can go out as ambassadors, armed with leaflets, to peak trans friends, neighbours and colleagues.

Ok yes thank you I was trying to condense what my point was to make sure it was concise. Sounds like I’m understanding it mostly correctly!

Dammit I can't do click links but the mirror is running 'the true story behind butterfly' with you know who. Kid was taken to the US for the op apparently (yes we know). At the bottom is advice to speak to - you know the campaigner 'charity'.

I'm cross.

It’s going to take some damaged women and children as collateral damage and there will be no joy in saying ‘I told you so’.

Sadly yes, Nickname. :(

What will these mums (for its often the Mums) do when their child turns around and says "what the hell were you thinking? You have literally ruined my life and had me surgically changed because you were scared I was gay? What am I now?"? Then sues them.

...The petition also asks us to acknowledge that there is a conflict between trans rights and ‘sex based women’s rights’. We do not and will not acknowledge this...

Ruth Hunt from Stonewall in response to the petition reported in the Times today.

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Well, that's very forward-thinking of her, good to know that she's not prepared to even listen.

What kind of fucked up timeline are we living in here?

Ok bit of help needed here. I'm looking for a shirt/top that I can wear in public and not get my face panned in (I work next to a large uni - and from what I can see of the meeting/speech posters around here, is full of useful idiots/hipster right-on dudes).

I cant really wear anything too controversial as work won't allow it. I'm thinking something more subversive. No swears...

Any ideas? Even suffragette colours would be nice.

But, LangCleg, is it your kids or R0wantrees' family that has the inestimable advantage of being powered by Bird's Eye Waffles?

LOLs! Not mine. Mine got the Weetabix Banana Horror.

On a serious note: it's the authoritarianism and general negativity of woke and SJW culture that infuriated them. Hence made them, even though they are boys, very open to GC feminist arguments.

I'm a bit like your mum, Lysistrataknowsherstuff, in that I'm only just realising how much the Patriarchy still affects women's lives.

I've been handing out the odd leaflet (and my mum even took a few to put in her local area), but I live in an area where no one seems to have heard of it, and thinks it's so ridiculous that it can't be true or they don't care bc they don't think it will affect them.

I'm working up the courage to go out on the street and hand then out, but that's quite daunting.

I went out in my t shirt with some leaflets the other day, but didn't get much interest. I was hoping the t shirt would spark some questions so that I could show them the leaflet and tell them what's going on, but it didn't work that way.

Any ideas on how to approach it better are much appreciated.

Please can someone link to the consultation mentioned in the OP?

This has been coming a long time - I taught in a very conservative, my way or the high way, primary school a million years ago and there was a child that finished one school year with one pronoun and started the next with another.

TwllBach - lots of threads with guidance or links to it. E.g.,

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3381951-how-long-does-it-take-to-complete-the-gra-consultation?pg=1

I asked my sister what she thought about it all. Still her response was this:

"I am not bothered about men actively transitioning to women being allowed into women’s spaces. But I would be concerned that it would be taken advantage of by some men who are doing it for other reasons, mainly sexual or to intimidate. I would also be concerned that it could encourage paedophiles to use a women’s bathroom under the pretence of being a woman as more female bathrooms have children in. I do not think that men should be allowed into a women’s refuge as I think that it could negatively impact the women who have gone there as a safe space away from a man. Whether there should be a similar type of provision for men who identify as women and need a secure environment - I don’t know enough about it to know if this would be something needed."

So much for echo-chambers, poisoning of minds, rampant transphobic gangs making stuff up etc. My sister had never heard of any of this stuff and still give this as her uninfluenced, reasoned opinion.

Women know the nature of men.

It would appear that men know neither men nor women.

Or deny it when it suits them.

Have you had any responses OP? I spoke to some older family friends this week about it and had peak trans-d them within five minutes of telling them about:

• Karen White
• Posie's billboard
• This: twitter.com/richardhp/status/1046732069181816833

you dont really hear of many f2m fakers do you

Strangely, I can think of at least two court cases where women who identified as trans men have been prosecuted for claiming to be men. It's almost as if the law doesn't really believe that 'Trans Men Are Men' and have always been men, despite being 'Assigned Female At Birth', isn't it? So why the discrepancy? Is it related to the fact that many/most of the over aggressive, bullying, no-platforming TRAs were 'Assigned' male at birth?

Wow, I've been out and about this am and just catching up on your responses, thanks to you all for reading and your encouragement. Of the handful of people who got The Text I actually saw two this morning. One a school mum who raised the topic first and we actually had a really good conversation. She has started looking at the consultation document too! The second was a friend I spent the morning with and she thanked me for sending it, we talked about the bigger picture and how many ways vulnerable women and children could be affected. She intends to do the consultation.

It's radio silence from the others! But it was only sent last night I guess.

What has been helpful for me is having a couple of conversations already I'm feeling much more confident about raising the subject cold and citing specific examples to people like my mum who are of the "It's never going to happen, your a bit mad!" thinking