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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Holy crap I've approached friends about GRA and now I'm crapping myself a bit!

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tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 03/10/2018 20:33

So I’ve been following the trans discussions both here and in the press for a while now and I’m scared of how women are losing their voice and could be losing rights very soon. What is odd is that in RL no one I know has mentioned it. Ever. Not once.

So after watching so many brave women really putting their heads above the parapet tonight I’ve bit the bullet and sent a text to my close friends giving them the link to the GRA consultation and some reasons why I think it’s of interest to them to at least look at. This topic is something none of them have mentioned even knowing of.

Although I feel proud of myself for doing it I’m slightly shitting myself about the “friendship “ fallout and worried they think I’m bigot! Is this the adrenaline talking??!! Please talk me down

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silentcrow · 03/10/2018 21:35

tellme thank you. It's become part of a safeguarding issue and I was so upset when I got home I just cried at my mum and said I wished I didn't know a damn thing about any of it. It's literally lapping up on my doorstep now - no more can I talk myself into thinking it won't touch our sleepy town and sensible schools.

Please, please fill in the consultation, everyone, please. This shit is harming children everywhere.

Thirtyrock39 · 03/10/2018 21:38

I'm getting more confident at work raising the issue and actually at work have raised concerns in meetings about labelling children just because they may not be stereotypically acting according to 'gender' and women's rights (nhs) which have had positive responses ...still get a lot of 'it's the modern world it's a new world anybody can be anybody' type of comments
I also asked on our brownies group chat for a contact to reply to the infamous email - I didn't feel brave enough to say what my concerns were but said that it's an issue that has been very controversial hoping other parents and leaders would read it and read between the lines

DayMay · 03/10/2018 21:38

I have gone beyond my own social circle now. Every time I am out in public I start conversations and the vast majority don't believe the shit about floating souls jumping in and out of bodies being peddled by the Elite.

Sarahjconnor · 03/10/2018 21:43

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 03/10/2018 21:49

I ask if that's not a woman are any of them women?
If that is a woman am I a woman?

Good way to put it. If anyone said that monster was as much of a woman as I am I'd hit the fucking roof.

FionaJT · 03/10/2018 21:57

After sharing a few fairly tame things on Facebook ( to very little response) I shared the Jacinta Brook article and the link to the consultation and am now involved in a several day long 'discussion' with a friend (who I rarely see offline) who is very 'woke'. It's a bit stressful, a couple of other people have chipped in in support of her but I'm plugging away and hoping that other people are reading snd something is getting through, even if it just that it's ok to discuss it. Hate it though as i usually stay prettu quiet on social media.

Prestonsflowers · 03/10/2018 21:58

Ffs it’s nothing like Brexit
Nobody in this country could say that they weren’t aware that there was a vote on Remain in the EU or leave the EU

The BBC and the Guardian have mostly been silent
The only mainstream newspapers that have touched on this are
The Times
The Telegraph
The Daily Mail
The Spectator
I’ve spoken to many people in RL and not one has believed me, so I just repeat myself and eventually it sinks in.
Unless we all talk to people, self Id will happen
All we can do is keep raising this issue

DayMay · 03/10/2018 22:03

If you come up against someone who believes TWAW it's like Brexit.

Nobody knows about it, people are not going to beat you up, most are grateful they are being told and are cross this is being pushed through stealth.

I agree get out on the streets and talk to people. You don't need a t-shirt or leaflets just a newspaper.

FekkoTheLawyer · 03/10/2018 22:06

I found old Pip Pip did the job for me.

mrswarthog · 03/10/2018 22:12

I was harangued at a Macmillan coffee morning on Friday by someone I know well, a committed feminist, an activist for RASA & an organiser of Reclaim the Streets for my city.

Because I work at the venue that WPUK held their meeting at last week. She accused my organisation, my colleagues & me of being bigoted and hate-mongering.
I've actually peak-transed over the past week and have not shut up, and will not shut up about the GRC. I've spoken to school mums, colleagues, strangers.

FekkoTheLawyer · 03/10/2018 22:15

I hope you enlightened her.

mrswarthog · 03/10/2018 22:16

I think it's the first time I've ever said 'That's fucking inappropriate' at a coffee morning Grin

littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 22:17

Och not one person I know thinks that guys can becom3 women
It’s a wee fantasy
I never met or spoke to one person who believes this shite

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 03/10/2018 22:19

First time I've posted on this board too. It's good to know it's ok to start with small steps. Tomorrow I'm going to try and talk to a physical person about it. And then I'm going to complete my consultation thing (only got half way through today). Feels ace to actually DO.
Goodnight all Smile

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DayMay · 03/10/2018 22:20

It really is safe to speak to the public, I always do it where there is CCTV. I avoid people who have unnatural hair dye and go after lone women. The worst I have experienced is TWAW chants and wounded at having their identity of believing in jumping souls questioned.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplands · 03/10/2018 22:20

Mrs Grin

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littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 22:21

Lols nightie tell
Will be cool

mrswarthog · 03/10/2018 22:22

I'm still raging tbh - I attended the WPUK event. It was correct, respectful, enlightening & uplifting. When the government's telling us to discuss this, bigots who shut us down are illegal, despicable & arseholes.

HandsOffMyRights · 03/10/2018 22:22

So far I've chosen friends who I thought would get it. One had been married to an abusive and narcissitic man. The other has a daughter in Guides. I've sent links to others.

Older aunts, my mother, get it instantly.

I have a few woke Amnesty loving relatives who follow Owen Jones religiously. Not braved that yet as they are Corbyn Cultists and think they're 'progressive'. I just know they will hold the opposite view to me.

Still deciding what to do about work as I work with some very senior female HR execs who can argue black is white and are also woke and I don't feel confident, so will keep drip feeding, but I know nobody knows about the consultation so may just have to bite the bullet as time is running out.

GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 22:26

Well I have posted about this almost daily for the last month or so. Some friends always got it, others think I'm wrong and others get it but don't think it will happen.

One friend told me to calm down as I was going OTT about it. Told her I didn't give a toss.

Anyway I am beginning to get more interaction online and in person. Do what you can. Good luck!

DayMay · 03/10/2018 22:34

We only have a few days left.

Whilst the branded Tweets are excellent.

There is no need to approach the public in a group wearing T-shirts and leaflets.

You can gently approach the public in your everyday clothes with a newspaper, make sure there is CCTV.

We have been cowed by all the threats. It's only a tiny percentage of people that belief in body bumping souls.

Most people are very grateful to have had the conversation and eager to learn more, they voluntarily take out phones, pens and paper and ask where they can learn more or how they can fill out the consultation.

Sicario · 03/10/2018 22:36

I have been spreading the world to everyone. And I have told my family that I'm going real life tomorrow, starting with my MP, my local radio station, and a letter to every editor in the land.

BarbarianMum · 03/10/2018 22:47

Most of my friends/family think the idea of self id so ridiculous that they dont believe "it could possibly happen" and therefore dont take the threat seriously. And therefore dont feel the need to protest. Sad And yes I get a lot of "if this was real it'd be on the news".

LangCleg · 03/10/2018 22:51

no more can I talk myself into thinking it won't touch our sleepy town and sensible schools

silentcrow - Flowers

I'm out in the sticks and this is exactly how I feel. Wokeistan is coming and it terrifies the life out of me.

GColdtimer · 03/10/2018 22:51

Yep. A mum today just said "that would never happen" about men in women's prisons. She must have hidden me from her FB or has just decided I'm she prefers to live in her rose tinted world. Drives me nuts.

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