Holy crap I've approached friends about GRA and now I'm crapping myself a bit!

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So I’ve been following the trans discussions both here and in the press for a while now and I’m scared of how women are losing their voice and could be losing rights very soon. What is odd is that in RL no one I know has mentioned it. Ever. Not once.

So after watching so many brave women really putting their heads above the parapet tonight I’ve bit the bullet and sent a text to my close friends giving them the link to the GRA consultation and some reasons why I think it’s of interest to them to at least look at. This topic is something none of them have mentioned even knowing of.

Although I feel proud of myself for doing it I’m slightly shitting myself about the “friendship “ fallout and worried they think I’m bigot! Is this the adrenaline talking??!! Please talk me down

First time I've posted on this board too.

And what a great first thread it's turned out to be!

I meet one friend every summer. Last year she basically said I was mean and that her ex liked to dress in skirts. She was suprised as I am very much live and let live type of person. I said wearing a skirt doesnt make him a women or want to go into womans spaces but I get that he doesn t feel safe in male ones.

This year we had a whispered conversation about safe guarding. She gets it.

I do the did you hear about blah blah in the news? and go from there. My husband didnt really get how fuck up it is getting until i showed poise parkers poster.

I've used WhatsApp and written targeted notes to people. Some are onboard. Nobody has harangued me - yet. They probably think I'm a bit nuts though ...

Most of my friends/family think the idea of self id so ridiculous that they dont believe "it could possibly happen" and therefore dont take the threat seriously. And therefore dont feel the need to protest. sad And yes I get a lot of "if this was real it'd be on the news".

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I'm out in the sticks too and people act like it's just another bizarre idea that I've picked up in London. It'll never affect a sleepy little town where nothing even opens on Sundays (and some shops have half day closing still) so nowt to do with us

I have discovered that my mum is very gender critical - I should have guessed really seeing as my pink teaset was a hand me down from my brother!

I am radicalising her on other aspects of feminism though - a year ago she said she didn't think the patriarchy had affected her at all, the other day she told my dad that he'd never understand why women are angry until he realises that male privilege is real

I’m outing myself on a daily basis. Did my exercise class on Monday, and a McMillan coffee morning yesterday. I’m beyond caring. My husband has started too, business meeting today & mate at a concert tonight. If I get some asshat deciding to prosecute me for ‘hate speech’ I know there’s hundred, no, thousands, of women behind me.

I have done quite a bit in terms of writing letters, meeting MP and schools etc, but for various reasons not dared to bring it up much in real life up till now, or on my more personal social media (partly due to some of my contacts). Also I'm not the sort of person who's that good at starting up conversations. But I have kicked myself up the backside lately and got some family members to do the consultation, a couple of friends who've said they will too, and this morning actually peaked another person on the school run (and left a few leaflets in town). So if I keep that up it's not too bad going I suppose. It feels like now or never!

Ive been lurking on some of these threads for ages and had my eyes opened.

Im not aware of the consultation
...who is doing it?

Please link, thanks

I tell people occasionally. Most of them think I've misunderstood or am exaggerating.

I told 2 last week.

I sent the Dick Boldly Goes video and a couple of messages to a couple of friends just outlining the issues.

One laughed because they thought the video was funny and didn't realise it referred to something that was really happening.

The other thought my phone had been hacked.

No one knows about it.

My fear about sharing isn't about 'woke' friend's calling me a bigot. I'm more concerned about people thinking I'm a gullible 'conspiracy theorist' and losing credibility!

I'm handing out leaflets tomorrow

Going into uni tomorrow. Crapping myself a little but will take some info about the consultation just in case anyone is interested. I can just remember being a young student and thinking feminism was stupid because we’d aleady won. Oh the lessons i had to learn..,

Most of my friends/family think the idea of self id so ridiculous that they dont believe "it could possibly happen" and therefore dont take the threat seriously. And therefore dont feel the need to protest. sad And yes I get a lot of "if this was real it'd be on the news".

This has been my IRL experience too. Even one woke (therapist) seemed convinced there was no danger because she thought they were all gay males who had had the chop (transsexuals). But most are "if it was happening, it would be in the news". My sister is "it will never happen". I just really don't know where to go after that.

If people say they dont believe, send them to the consultation. They can read what is going on and make up their minds then.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stonewall-backing-transgender-bullies-slvn00vng?shareToken=e476f008a8b17f0918a7119fe0051caa

Tell people they will be laughing no more when we see living North Korea style, PM is wanting to send us for re-education, she's not a democratic MP.

Fuck this.

I am going out on the streets again today with the Times.

I have discussed it with a gay male friend who is younger than me (in his mid 20s) and he kind of agrees and kind of doesn't, he said he had got off with a transmale and he was ok with snogging but was not into the fact that they had a vulva. He said one of his other friends called him transphobic for not going all the way.

He's a well-educated and smart guy. He's actually very pro-women's rights (much more so than most young men I know) and not just in a wokebro way, he does actually listen to what I have to say on the matter. But of course he's also pro-LGBT so he is conflicted (I mean, I'm pro-LGBT too fgs!! This is the worst part of this whole fandango!)

Anyway, I can discuss it with him because he's not the type to hold people's political opinions against them, which is why we get on, I guess.

Woke female friends...I haven't mentioned it, though I have skirted around it with a couple of them.

I just can't believe how many people are letting science be trumped by woke-ism. Ridiculous.

I think the focus has to be on what do we mean by trans.
Most people think it still means transsexual (gay man with tragic gender dysphoria, had, or is waiting, for an op).
So, it's best to establish what Stonewall and other establishment bodies mean (including cross dressers and fetishists) and that the definition has basically broadened to mean almost anyone at all.

Then I think it's important to state that noone is saying trans people are more likely to be perverts, but if the criteria for being a woman is just saying so, then how do we as women know which men are dodgy and which are not?

Basically if you want every single sex service you use to be unisex then don't protest, otherwise tell the government why you don't want that.

Then get out the Karen White story just for good measure.
That's my strategy anyway.

ifnot I think you're right. Every time I discuss it online, it's always YOU HATE TRANSPEOPLE or YOU THINK ALL TRANSPEOPLE ARE PERVERTS which is just mad, but people don't read, don't think about what they're saying and have no concept of ever changing their mind.

Mentioning Ian Huntley is generally a fast track way to peak trans anybody.

This just isn’t making it into Joe Public’s consciousness. It is slowly filtering down. Everyone needs to know that 85% of trans women are functioning males; that self-id is already having consequences.

But when the mainstream This Morning does what it did on Friday, making a mockery of an actual woman’s concerns and presenting a trans woman who is not only appropriating womanhood, but specifically chose to appropriate ‘demure woman’ for the purposes of skewing the debate, most people aren’t going to see what all the fuss is about.

It’s going to take some damaged women and children as collateral damage and there will be no joy in saying ‘I told you so’.

And yes, it might ‘never happen’ but you can guarantee that it won’t happen because women will change their behaviour to make sure it doesn’t.

Good for you for speaking out.

I thought the Huntley thing wasn't true?

At least in June, it seems to have been true according to Guido order-order.com/2018/06/11/libdem-policy-transphobic-call-ian-huntley-ian-huntley

The fact sheet says

There will be no change to the provision of women-only spaces and services
The Government is clear that there will be no change to the Equality Act 2010, which allows service
providers to offer separate services to males and females, or to one sex only, subject to certain criteria.
These services can treat people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment differently,
or exclude them completely, but only where the action taken is a proportionate means of achieving a
legitimate aim. Importantly, a service provider’s starting point should be to treat a trans person in the
gender they identify with, and to allow them to access services for that gender unless by doing so they
would be unable to provide that service to other service users. This means it can’t be a blanket ban,
or done on a whim. It has to be for a real reason, on a case by case basis. For example a female only
domestic violence refuge may provide a separate service to a trans woman if it can be shown there is
a detriment to other service users from including the trans woman as part of the regular service. If they
then have to exclude that trans person, they ought to consider what alternatives they can offer to the
trans person. This has been the law since 2010 and will not change

What is the response to that as presumably this is a key issie? Presumably if a trans woman says she is a woman, no one will dare question her.

I attended the WPUK event. It was correct, respectful, enlightening & uplifting. When the government's telling us to discuss this, bigots who shut us down are illegal, despicable & arseholes.

In a nutshell, you've summarised Kirkup's argument (see today's Spectator piece). :) When you close down moderate avenues for discussion and debate then only populism and extreme shouty viewpoints are left.

The Government is clear that there will be no change to the Equality Act 2010, which allows service

Yet, as you know and has been said here time and time again, Stonewall, the head of the relevant division of Cambridge Council, are all stating it's their objective to use changes to the GRA 2004 to rationalise and update the out-of-date EA 2010 and specifically its single-sex exemptions.

I started talking to family and friends about this over two years ago. I was so shocked at how anti-science and open to abuse self-id was that I just assumed the people closest to me would feel the same way. And, in general, they did.
My nieces and nephews are super-trendy, campaigning students, members of the LGBT societies, etc, but they were seeing the societies being taken over by trans issues and the cotton ceiling pressure unfolding so they had already peak-transed but weren't able to be public about it.
My DH started from a place of 'live and let live' until I explained the implications of self-id ie male bodies in female spaces. He's since peak-transed quite few of his friends too.
It's why I find the TRAs on Twitter so fascinating. They think the echo chamber they've created is representative but actually in RL, nearly everyone I've spoken to about this knows that the emperor has no clothes.

but they were seeing the societies being taken over by trans issues and the cotton ceiling pressure unfolding so they had already peak-transed but weren't able to be public about it

My kids were like this (although they were quite public about it).