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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Amnesty has "jumped the shark"

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pombear · 03/10/2018 20:07

Apologies for the flippant thread title, just wanted you all to look this way for a second.

Amnesty's sentence on why GRA reformation is important:

Transwomen are suffering violence and abuse as women and because they are trans. Over a quarter of trans people experience domestic violence and two women a week are killed by a partner or ex-partner in England and Wales

twitter.com/AmnestyUK/status/1046740263408979969

As lots of others point out, the whole article is a mess. But this statement is the most appalling and gaslighting of all.

Lots of others are saying it better than I could: twitter.com/ThrupennyBit/status/1047252878321246208

To hijack the horror of two women being killed in England and Wales a week to make it look like the figure is actually about transwomen is monstrous misogyny, utterly unethical and dangerous propaganda

Many have voiced growing concerns about Amnesty for a while:- the organisation's questionable stance on prostitution; the invitation of Shon Faye to host 'Women Making History' earlier this year.

But for me, the fact that someone felt that it was OK to make this specific and deliberate conflation of two different issues, and their attempt to use the murder of females to 'stand in for' and represent and inflate the dangers to men who want to be women, is incredibly disturbing.

WTF happened to Amnesty?

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R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 21:12

Guardian 2015
'Why is a pimp helping to shape Amnesty’s sex trade policy?'
Kat Banyard
(extract)
"Amnesty International will finalise its new policy on prostitution this month. It follows a vote in August by the organisation’s leadership – in the face of global protests – to push countries to fully decriminalise the sex trade, sex-buying and brothel-keeping included. Not only is Amnesty’s plan, in my view, dangerously misguided, it also relies on evidence from the very people it should be holding to account.

Amnesty’s draft policy cites support from “human rights organisations” for the call to decriminalise brothels. “Most significantly,” it states, “a large number of sex worker organisations and networks, including the Global Network of Sex Work Projects [NSWP], support the decriminalisation of sex work.” Yet in March this year Alejandra Gil, the NSWP’s former vice-president, was jailed for 15 years for sex trafficking.

This isn’t just one unfortunate reference to the group, a singular blip in an otherwise scrupulously sourced document. Amnesty’s draft policy also cites as evidence a report written by the NSWP; a report annexe written by the UNAids “advisory group on HIV and sex work” – which is co-chaired by the NSWP; and a World Health Organisation (WHO) report in which Gil is personally acknowledged as one of the “experts” who helped develop its recommendations. The organisation’s logo is on the report’s front cover, alongside those of the WHO, UNAaids and the United Nations Population Fund.

What this exposes is how staggeringly successful Gil’s group has been in pushing its agenda to legitimise commercial sexual exploitation through some of the world’s top human rights institutions. Known as the “Madam of Sullivan”, Gil is reported to have been at the centre of a pimping operation in Mexico City, sexually exploiting around 200 women. What is crucial to recognise, however, is that Gil didn’t have to hide her vested interests as a pimp in her NSWP role. The group campaigns for pimping and brothel-keeping to be recognised as ordinary work. According to NSWP policy, as a pimp Gil was a “sex worker” whose precise role was a “manager”. So why did UNAids award this group a formal advisory role?" (continues)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/22/pimp-amnesty-prostitution-policy-sex-trade-decriminalise-brothel-keepers

enrichedatthegulags · 03/10/2018 21:29

I spent a year living in v expensive Brussels on an internship with amnesty. And have had a DD to them since I was 17.
Using those stats like that is absolutely disgusting.
They can get fucked.

Serfisafleur · 03/10/2018 21:41

Women are perpetrators of homicide at 18% lower rates than we are victims
Males are perpetrators of homicide at 8% greater rates than they are victims
Trans people are perpetrators of homicide at 71% greater rates than they are victims

Needs to be shared far and wide

Serfisafleur · 03/10/2018 21:44

^although I must say I thought the female ratio was more towards that women were Far less likely to commit homicide than that against being a victim.

OpalIridescence · 03/10/2018 21:48

R0wantrees. That is so utterly grim.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/10/2018 21:48

Women are perpetrators of homicide at 18% lower rates than we are victims
Males are perpetrators of homicide at 8% greater rates than they are victims
Trans people are perpetrators of homicide at 71% greater rates than they are victims

fucking hell

i cancelled my DD for Amnesty a while ago

i wish I could bloody cancel it again

Molokonono · 03/10/2018 21:50

although I must say I thought the female ratio was more towards that women were Far less likely to commit homicide than that against being a victim.

How many of those women were men though?

heresyandwitchcraft · 03/10/2018 21:57

This is...Honestly, it's to the point where I think we need to start an Amnesty-style letter campaign to Amnesty itself.

Are we now "appropriating" the reality of female victims of male violence, the same way we "appropriated" the dictionary?

NO. We ARE women. We ARE adult human females. I think you'll find it's another group entirely trying to do the appropriating, here who incidentally also belong in the male risk category when it comes to violence and you are actively prioritizing them over us.

R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 22:00

There's a law academic TRA who is involved with Amnesty I think.
I read something recently, maybe to do with criticism of Kathleen Stock?

Charliethefeminist · 03/10/2018 22:01

Amnesty is a Men's Rights Organisation. Absolutely.

Popchyk · 03/10/2018 22:01

Trans and Amnesty gives us Travesty, surely?

That's how I will be referring to them from now on.

R0wantrees · 03/10/2018 22:06

Amnesty on GRA:
"4. Trans women are women and there is no risk to single sex services

You might have heard discussions on the media and social media trying to tip trans rights against women’s rights. These discussions are informed by prejudice and misinformation"

www.amnesty.org.uk/have-your-say-gender-recognition-act?

ErrolTheDragon · 03/10/2018 22:34

Trans women are women and there is no risk to single sex services

Oxymoron right there. Claiming transwomen are women, even moreso if self ID is allowed, demolishes single sex services. There's no reason for any service to be single 'gender'.

littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 22:51

I know one of them 2 women a week
She was strangled to death one morning
By a man
One morning early it was
By a man
I knew one of these women
Still know her
jeez to use her in this shite stuff
He tried to kill himself after no luck still alive
She’s not

Sarahjconnor · 03/10/2018 23:00

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pombear · 03/10/2018 23:00

littlbrowndog

And this is why we're all here, shouting loudly, this is wrong. This is wrong.

To the woman you speak of.

She should NOT be used in this trans-game.

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littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 23:07

Yeah fucks me to the core that they can use her murder in this way

OrchidInTheSun · 03/10/2018 23:09

Me too, little.

She left her husband with her children because she tried to protect them. She went to meet him to discuss arrangements and he strangled her.

Women are in most danger when they leave a violent man

Booom · 03/10/2018 23:15

if/when you do pull your dd payment plrase let them know why. Far more powerful.

littlbrowndog · 03/10/2018 23:29

Yeah orchid she was leaving him. Went out back door. Dragged back in
Early morning

FloralBunting · 03/10/2018 23:36

littlbrowndog, that's made me cry.Sad

God, this is so sick.

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/10/2018 23:39

Littlebrowndog that's tragic

ErrolTheDragon · 03/10/2018 23:51

littlbrowndog
You've said in the past you're not good with words, but whether you meant to or not you just wrote an eloquent poem.
Thanksfor you, for her, for orchid and her friend, and all the other two a week.

scepticalwoman · 04/10/2018 00:17

In today's Times, yet more evidence of Amnesty's disregard for the safety of women - this time their own staff:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/amnesty-told-staff-to-work-alongside-alleged-sex-pest-brendan-cox-vfrkhwxk6?shareToken=04ed8508ebba5892f2a979590d105b00

What a grim legacy from a once reputable charity.

Badstyley · 04/10/2018 00:23

They’re appropriating dead women now? There really isn’t any depths is there?

Little brown dog, that’s fucking evil, and her crime, not obeying a man’s wishes. Those poor kids, no mum because dad killed her.

Fuck. This. Shit.