Shocking levels of transphobia

[Semp]

I have been lurking here for a while and reading through the posts on a daily basis. I am truly shocked with the levels of transphobia that exist on this board. I have read what has been posted and the arguments that have been put across against the reform of the Gender Recognition Act; and all I see are the same arguments that have been used in the past when it came to changes in the laws relating to any other minority. That being that predators will exploit this change to abuse women/girls, yet everytime this has happened in the past the claims that they would did not come to fruition.

I can see no change as to how things would be any different with this change. As now things currently stand trans women can already use womens toilets, are put on ladies wards in hospitals when getting treatment, can use female changing facilities in swimming baths and so on. This has been happening for decades and Armageddon hasn't happened.

There are many other areas of life that this energy could be and should be directed at, which would make a huge difference to the lives of women. Without victimizing and stigmatizing a minority group that already suffers enough as it is.

Agree it's wanting people to lie and twisting reality that's the problem. It's like calling people's birth names "dead names" your birth name and sex are part of your identity too. People with previous names who haven't changed gender don't have hissy fits when someone mentions a previous name. Some trans people want to pretend they have always been the gender they now identify as and airbrush their past. It adds to the male crime recorded as female if people can't say "but this person was born male"

For all we know the majority of trans people could well be intersexed.

may be wired up in their brains differently

Exactly. Transwomen are NOT exactky the same as women and the current GRA process should not be abandoned in favour of self ID so that it continues to be a medically supervised process so that potential things like chromosomal abnormalities and brain issues can be investigated. Good to see you've come round to our way of thinking Semp.

We don't cry and emotionally blackmail people if they call us names. Bye bye

Biology isn't open to debate.

Women don''t have penises and it isn't transphobic to state a scientific fact.

No you just aggressively shout down those that have a different opinion other than the bigoted ideology expressed here

Based on Stonewall's definition of 'transgender', 99% of people are trans. I certainly am!

Am I not allowed to talk about myself?

Hi Feefleur
The tide is turning, your post tells me your toes and the toes of AWAs are getting wet...
Best wishes
terry

No you just aggressively shout down those that have a different opinion other than the bigoted ideology expressed here

Wot like the TRAs on twitter?

Welcome to MN Feefleur. What a bingo card you have started with, congratulations! It's almost like you sought us out just to give us the TRA approved script.

Gosh Fee. I have seen a few other places on the web where there is actual transphobia. It's quite shocking in parts.

What you have here is women discussing their rights. We're mostly pretty polite and measured I think but we do say it as it is. But we're a bunch of women - we don't do aggression or sneering or violence and certainly not transphobia. Just don't go anywhere near discussing, what is it, hot weetabix? Then things get nasty.

Oh and biology isn't bigotry, just for the record

Reported feefleur for being abusive.

Only the 2 or 3 people with the OP throwing out all the old slurs. "Vile!" "Bigot!"

Seriously, change the record.

The bigot word has no impact feefleur, it's been dead since Gordon Brown used it a decade ago.

PC is similarly passe and toothless.

Transphobia is a made up sin word from the church of genderolgy few worship in.

Hateful is so over used it means mildly in disagreement at best.

Find some new slurs, these are all past the sell by date.

You can't be that thick. Rapists are already transing into women's prisons. The fact is that is being a woman is a feeling anyone can say that feel like a woman and you have no way of knowing whether they are telling the truth.

Witness, if you will, Lurkers, the way an AWA stomps in, says something abusive and then complains that their 'dissenting opinion' will be shouted down by bigoted ideology.

Watch how MN posters will engage, as they have done for most of the thread and restate their rational reasons for sticking up for women's rights and the importance of being able to say truthful things.

Those MNers may well even ask the new poster questions and invite them to put their case.

This is what AWAs call 'shouting down' on MN. Compare that with Twitter, where the GC view will be reported, deleted, and targeted for banning, but not before all the rude names have been thrown around, threats of worse made and none of the questions answered.

You're intelligent people, Lurkers. You come to your own conclusion.

The tide is turning...and you know it.

I'm still waiting patiently for examples of these transphobic posts. All I've seen so far is tantrums and strops and flounces in comparison to women quoting facts grounded in science and research; statistics and common sense 🤷🏼‍♀️

All of this is a prime example of women needing to continually justify their rights to define themselves. The amount of time wasted trying to counter this ideology by using rational facts is extraordinary. I've spent months upon months trying to understand the trans activist ideology, but it's basically a set of unverifiable claims rooted in "Queer theory".
It's not science, it's not fact, it's not even internally consistent.
Everyone knows that a man cannot be a woman, and that humans cannot change sex.
Especially not just because they say so.
Everyone.
Trans women are trans women.
Trans men are trans men.
It doesn't mean we hate trans people, we just accept them as trans, not the opposite sex.
We don't believe in magic.
Get over it.

Hi fee

I keep asking people this question and they keep running away its very strange.

Could you tell us why males who call themseleves women are entitled to male free spaces, yet females do not have the same right?

Thank you mnhq for deleting my post.
You claim to allow free speech but you are as bigoted as the posters who post on your site. I'm sure Terry is big enough to be allowed to seemy post without being offended!
You allow individuals to use fowl language as user names but remove relatively offensive comment?
Pathetic!

*Fowl language as user names

Did someone use Turkey, Chicken, or Guinea in their username? I've not noticed anyone with fowl names. Even if they did, why is this s problem? Would they be fowl-phobic in some way?

Fee, have you read the guidelines?

3. Sweeping negative generalisations about any group, including trans people and gender-critical feminists, won’t be tolerated.

I think you'll find your post breached those by making a sweeping statement about gender-critical feminists.
Perhaps have a look at these, which were brought in because of trans activist pressure, before you decide to deride a whole group of people simply for having a different view.

You're welcome to post here as long as you follow the community rules.